Canon software will require Login with Canon ID

LDS said:

It\'s about tracking, data gathering. etc. - not about offering a better service to users. It looks Canon too is willingly to take part in product \"enshittification\", as Cory Doctorow named it.

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This guy gets it. We get asked to make an account for buying any damn thing now. Why do I need an account to purchase bedsheets? It's all data collection.

Slappy_G said:

Wow - another awful decision from Canon. Let's be clear, almost no one prefers their software and only uses it when necessary. It's slow, clunky, and has terrible UI design. So now they want to make it worse by forcing me to share my email address with them, and possibly make it impossible to install/use offline? Wow.

The likelihood of me creating a fake gmail account with a fake name for this is near 100%. Good luck with getting my info, Canon.

Also, agreed 100% with those of you saying this is just a trojan horse to make subscriptions easier as the next step. Someone has learned the WRONG lessons from Adobe here.

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I use DPP for all my landscape photos as it is the only Raw editor that gives me true Canon color. I don't have an especially fast PC, and have no issues at all with speed or anything else.

Just curious, don't most folks here already have a Canon account if and when they registered any Canon equipment? So all this hand wringing about Canon having your email, they probably already do and it means nothing.

LDS said:

It\'s about tracking, data gathering. etc. - not about offering a better service to users. It looks Canon too is willingly to take part in product \"enshittification\", as Cory Doctorow named it.

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Thanks for introducing me to something I had missed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

Just

Slappy_G said:

The likelihood of me creating a fake gmail account with a fake name for this is near 100%. Good luck with getting my info, Canon.

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I give nothing but crap data for any of the stuff I have to sign up for. I never give them anything more than they need to know.

If you’re an Apple user, just use Hide My Email. If you’re not, just make a burner gmail account and use aliases to sign up for stuff like this. Problem solved.

How about track stolen canon gear and make it unusable? No? Is that too useful?

Or is it just to make subscriptions a reality?

This is Big Brother tactics launching the thin end of the wedge. To pay thousands of dollars for a camera then be told "oh you have to have an account against your will to use the software to get the most out of your camera" flies in the face of consumer rights. Indeed I am fairly sure this would be in breach of current Australian Consumer Laws where some companies have already been prosecuted for only offering full length warranties to customer who "registered" (a.k.a. surrended heaps of personal details about themselves to go onto a database they have no control of) and customers who refused to register their purchase within some time frame after buying it only got a shortened warranty. The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) ruled that is restriction of consumer rights. They have also prosecuted several big retailers for misleadingly offering cost-extra extended warranties past the basic, e.g. a fridge may come with a manufacturers warranty of 1 year and the retailer offers an additional 4 years for a fee, but in Australia the ACCC ruled nobody buys a fridge expecting it to fail after 12 months so if it dies 2 or 3 years after purchase, you are still entitled to full warranty repairs or replacement, and manufacturers warranty statements cannot contravene the basic consumer rights, in the same way as if a store has a sign at the entry saying it is a condition of entry that all bags be presented for searching at the exit, that cannot override common law which says only Police and Customs have the right to search a person. I would personally lodge a formal complaint to ACCC if Canon tries this stunt in Australia as others will also no doubt do. Hopefully the EU will jump all over this. It's a massive insult to democracy to be told you have to create an account (which I bet requires at least an e-mail address to spam you) just to use the product you have bought. I know in some countries you can only play DVD's or blu-rays that match the local region code but down under any machine must have the ability to override region codes and play DVD's and blu-rays sourced from any region in the world. The fact some players bury that unlock function deep in hidden menus indicates they build the products for the world markets and only unlock what they have to to comply with local laws. Canon are really pushing their luck with this one. Personally I don't give a fat rat's clacker about DPP as it is slow and clunky at the best of times even on my i9 with 64GB DDR-5 RAM, but if the EOS Utility requires a login for me to download images from my camera, game on moll.

Not amused about that.

Every company in existence now is desiring the reoccuring cloud/fee model. They announced this a while ago. Only downside here is that Canon sucks serious ass on the software side of the house.

Eventually the only way to get images off cameras will be via cloud subscriptions.

Fun fact: I no longer feel the need to use Canon\'s software

vikingar said:

This is 100% to be able to add subscriptions in the near future. So many companies have done it the same way with similar press releases, then dropped the hammer a few months later. It's so transparent.

They already charge 1$ monthly for DPP on iOS, so it's not like it's a new idea for them.

They'll start cheap enough for it to not matter, and once everyone is okay with it raise prices. Might take a few years until the pricing hurts, it's not going to happen overnight.

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So you're telling me that are trying to run a business? The nerve of them!

Cochese said:

Fun fact: I no longer feel the need to use Canon\'s software

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Fun fact: I didn't have the need even when it's free.

Bishop80 said:

I suspect that the login is being required for other reasons.

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They clearly state those reasons in the article.

It won't effect me with my current cameras, I have a VM with no internet connection with an old version of EOS Utility that I haven't needed to update for years. I do use DPP, I'll keep the last version install file before the account sign in is required, because I think one day they are going to try to get everyone to subscribe to it. I'll only need to update if I get new Canon cameras in the future.

neuroanatomist said:

I think DPP is worth every penny I’ve paid for it so far.

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i use it for my raw processing on a regular basis. maybe clunky, but does what i need.

SnowMiku said:

It won't effect me with my current cameras, I have a VM with no internet connection with an old version of EOS Utility that I haven't needed to update for years. I do use DPP, I'll keep the last version install file before the account sign in is required, because I think one day they are going to try to get everyone to subscribe to it. I'll only need to update if I get new Canon cameras in the future.

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to bad they make a habit of forced upgrade for new camera models.

Well their Canon Connect App is a joke so who cares? I doubt their other software is any better

Rumours not rumors said:

It's a massive insult to democracy to be told you have to create an account (which I bet requires at least an e-mail address to spam you) just to use the product you have bought.

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Actually no, it's a minor inconvenience at worst. And if you don't want to bother making up a dedicated burner email address for this you don't even need the Canon software to use the camera anyway. Not exactly a Hitler, Assad, Stalin or Mussolini-level threat to the free world.

wyotex43n said:

If you are a member of Canon Professional Services will you need a separate ID?

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I would assume and hope that these would be the same. I couldn't imagine them making multiple logins.