The Canon EOS R6 Mark III will be good, but not revolutionary

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frankchn said:
For the full frame mirrorless segment in particular, Sony is very competitive. They were the #1 selling FF brand in the US and worldwide last year, and the A7IV was the best selling FF camera in both units and revenue in the US.

Canon has more FF cameras at the ~$2000 price point or lower (R6II and R8 vs just the A7IV until late in 2023 when they added the A7C2) and newer products (R6II and R8 were launched a year+ after the A7IV), but Sony is still ahead for now.

We are seeing a tangible response from Canon as well: they have sped up the release cycle for the 6 series cameras. 6D (Sep 2012) to 6DII (June 2017) to R6 (July 2020) is about a 3-4 year gap between releases, and R6 (July 2020) to R6II (Nov 2022) to R6III (Q1 2025?) has shortened that to ~2.3 years.
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I agree that they are competitive. The question is, who is buying Sony FF cameras? Former Canon users switching? Former Nikon users switching? Sony users upgrading to a new model?

IMO, at this level there is not too much 'direct' competition among brands, though the data do support the idea Nikon users switching to Sony. We tend to take a short-term view of these metrics, and pretend they are leading. But cameras are durable goods. Most people keep them longer than 5 years. The 'Sony is #1 in FF MILC' claim is for 2023, when the R system was 5 years old. Only now are significant numbers of 5- and 6-series DLSR users likely to be shopping for new cameras.
 
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#42
If they Introduce new mechanisms for the screen and ad clog-2/raw which I think they should do to counter z6iii this camera would be really popular. Younger people are mostly hybrid shooters and that would interest them. Regarding photography besides the resolution R6 mk1 was already amazing camera for most use cases so for many I doubt the mk3 would be that interesting with this rumours.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
IMO, at this level there is not too much 'direct' competition among brands, though the data do support the idea Nikon users switching to Sony. We tend to take a short-term view of these metrics, and pretend they are leading. But cameras are durable goods. Most people keep them longer than 5 years. The 'Sony is #1 in FF MILC' claim is for 2023, when the R system was 5 years old. Only now are significant numbers of 5- and 6-series DLSR users likely to be shopping for new cameras.
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I personally think there are likely more people who already have moved from DSLRs to mirrorless than those who are still on DSLRs but are also in the market to buy a new camera at this point. Obviously there are people who have DSLRs but have dropped out of the camera market for whatever reason, but they are irrelevant since they aren't in the market. This is my guess though, and I certainly don't insist on it.

I agree that the number of switchers in general is probably low (at least lower than some folks would like to believe), but I think a switch to mirrorless and a change in lens mount would prompt more switchers (in whatever direction) than the usual "I'll just get the new version of my current camera".
 
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neuroanatomist said:
I agree that they are competitive. The question is, who is buying Sony FF cameras? Former Canon users switching? Former Nikon users switching? Sony users upgrading to a new model?

IMO, at this level there is not too much 'direct' competition among brands, though the data do support the idea Nikon users switching to Sony. We tend to take a short-term view of these metrics, and pretend they are leading. But cameras are durable goods. Most people keep them longer than 5 years. The 'Sony is #1 in FF MILC' claim is for 2023, when the R system was 5 years old. Only now are significant numbers of 5- and 6-series DLSR users likely to be shopping for new cameras.
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At this point in time, new buyers without any pre existing lenses etc could jump in at the R6 etc level. The quantity is unknown but it is more likely than at the USD3+K level.
I jumped in at R7 level which isn't too far from the equivalent R6.

The other bunch of potential buyers at that level are the existing DLSR users with older lenses. Existing legacy lenses could keep them in the same OEM but they might not be worth much second hand.... certainly not as convinced as early adopters were.
Given Canon's frequency to update, it would suggest that it is competitive across OEMs.
 
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#47
Del Paso said:
A better EVF is for me THE major upgrade.
The Nikonlike orientable LCD is also a nice new feature, though I prefer not to have it on the R5 II, apart from it being OLED. I have a dislike of moving parts, especially when also electronically connected to the body. But I must confess I also preferred the rigidly integrated ones...no longer!
The R6 II enjoys a very intelligent upgrade, despite the "only 24MP" expected Internet whining.
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I remember when flippy rear screens started and the XXD bodies had them but not 5D etc. We were convinced that Canon knew best for strength reliability but needing a screen protector wasn't great and the convenience of flippy - especially for astro stuff was great. Being able to fold it in negated the need for protection.

With Z9 etc having tilt/flippy, there should not be significant reliability issues.

I wish the R5 had a stronger hotshoe mount if the number of people complaining about damage are significant.
 
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KT said:
I think the action priority is part of the DIGIC Accelerator package so almost certainly it will be there. It's a software algorithm that needs the DIGIC Accelerator to work.
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Yeah, have to imagine the majority of the AF improvements from the last two years in the R1/R5mkii are added. Going to be bummed if Eye Control doesn't make it down to the R6 mkii as well.
 
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photophil said:
Does the R5II support third party batteries after the recent firmware upgrade?
Being able to charge batteries over USB-C is a feature I would not want to give up in an R6III.
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The R52 was compatible with 3rd party of the older type,the same as it was of the older canon batteries. Was = from firmware 1.01 onwards (our shipped with that).
Some features that demand more current are not supported.

3rd parties also produce the E6P compatible battery and offer all features. This is mostly what we use.
 
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Toni said:
Today there is no sense on a 24 MP full-frame camera. Please... Today, every m4/3 or aps-c already has 24 MP...
It\'s like walk with a Hasselblad with say 30 MP. No sense.
If today a mirrorless full-frame camera had same pixel density that first mirrorless camera, it would have 42 MP.
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I would be happy with 30 megapixels. That would give me more incentive to upgrade from the original R6.
 
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No Clog2? The Canon cripple hammer is back again. This camera is going to be more than capable of filming in Clog2 raw at 60fps. I guess they want to protect the R3, R1, C80 and C400.

I guess I'm going to have to purchase a used R3 to do along my R5II. Used prices on R3 are very attractive atm.

Canon should have a Sony ZVE1 competitor, something very small but yet capable on the video department
 
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neuroanatomist said:
I agree that they are competitive. The question is, who is buying Sony FF cameras? Former Canon users switching? Former Nikon users switching? Sony users upgrading to a new model?

IMO, at this level there is not too much 'direct' competition among brands, though the data do support the idea Nikon users switching to Sony. We tend to take a short-term view of these metrics, and pretend they are leading. But cameras are durable goods. Most people keep them longer than 5 years. The 'Sony is #1 in FF MILC' claim is for 2023, when the R system was 5 years old. Only now are significant numbers of 5- and 6-series DLSR users likely to be shopping for new cameras.
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I am wondering if there is a breakdown of the sales number by age. It would be interesting to see what the younger generation is buying. If the Sony (or Canon) numbers are propped up by the new and young entrants into the camera market, then the other brands could well be losing market shares in the longer run.
 
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So in my opinion, the new 5-axis screen and OLED seems like a really nice feature, i have wished too see in the R5 II or R1. In many things it will follow the R5 II, just because it has always been this way. I also don't think that we will get the eye control AF. It is a great feature, but just too expensive too bring it that far down in the lineup. I would expect it in the next generation.

I think if we get what has been said in the article, then it tells us a lot about the things we can expect in the R7 II. You know, the high end features now can start to drop down to the "lower end cameras". So as the R7 II will go upmarket, I guess (and hope) that we will also get the new 5-axis screen with OLED, a new stacked sensor in the 32MPish range, the newest AF, no eye control AF, but a decent viewfinder. I also guess they now start to take one design for all of their cameras. They experimented with the R5, R6 and R7, but decided to go with the R6 II design ever since. A Top LCD is also unlikely on the R7 II, but only time will tell. And PLEASE give us that damn battery grip for the R7 II!
 
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HMC11 said:
I am wondering if there is a breakdown of the sales number by age. It would be interesting to see what the younger generation is buying. If the Sony (or Canon) numbers are propped up by the new and young entrants into the camera market, then the other brands could well be losing market shares in the longer run.
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I’m sure manufacturers have those data, either from internally generated demographic information, or purchased from the same investment research firms that publish the overall market share numbers (those types of firms earn revenue by selling such reports to interested parties, manufacturers, but more importantly, investors).

@CJaurelius would have you believe that most younger people by Sony cameras, because he knows some that have. Some people don’t understand the difference between anecdotes and data.

Overall, digital camera sales are far lower than their peak years ago. But at least in the large US market, it seems that younger people are as likely to own a digital camera as older people (source).

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candyman said:
At this point, the Canon R6 Mark III is just a rumor. Specifications are therefore not known and there is speculation about the possibilities of the camera. The statement of criple hammer is therefore completely premature. Wait and see.
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It's there in an R5 Mark II as well (no oversampled 4k60p)
An R6 Mark III will be at least as crippled (oversampled 4k60p, but no C-Log 2 most likely)
I am also not sure about a CFExpress slot, it would make it equal to an R3, which remains in production.
 
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candyman said:
At this point, the Canon R6 Mark III is just a rumor. Specifications are therefore not known and there is speculation about the possibilities of the camera. The statement of criple hammer is therefore completely premature. Wait and see.
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I can't see anyone rational claiming that the R1, R3, R5II or R6II can say that those caemras are hit by a corporate cripple hammer.
I just can't see it. I can see a progression of R&D and implemenation cycles. But no cripple hammers.
I think canon could easily add more memory to their camera buffers and should do. However, once we get our cards and readers to a sufficient speed with asyncronous shooting and writing...then camera buffers / burst shooting duration times will be a thing of the past.
 
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