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AlanF · 2024-12-24T05:46:16-0500

john1970 said:
As previously mentioned, the first question I would ask is what is your budget?

Other points to consider:

1) Would you consider a APS-C size sensor rather than FF sensor?
2) Do you like to crop your photos a lot? Many bird photographers do.
3) What lenses do you plan to use with the camera? Do you already own lenses or plan to buy new?
4) What is the largest print size you produce?

If you are starting out new in bird photography you might also want to consider Nikon a viable option. The Nikon 600 mm f6.3 PF and 800 mm f6.3 PF lenses are excellent though do get pricey. The Nikon Z8 is popular among bird photographer that use Nikon products.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

The Canon AF of the R5 is superior to Nikon's for locating the eyes of birds, and the R5ii is even better, plus even better tracking and very nice pre-capture. If you want to use primes that are lighter and cheaper than big whites, then that is Nikon's only real advantage. I prefer zooms, and the RF 100-500 and RF 200-800mm fulfil my needs nicely. I used to shoot with a Nikon D850 and PF 500/5.6, and found them superb, but then found the RF 100-500mm on the R5 nearly if not as equally as sharp and much more versatile.

AlanF · 2024-12-24T05:38:24-0500

It's a choice between the R1 and the R5ii for the very, very best. I am a passionate birder, both for perched birds and in flight. I've gone for the R5ii because the smaller form and the higher Mpx are what I want. Others will argue for the R1. If I was shooting penguins at -40, I would take the R1. But for the rest of the time, it would be the R5ii. (I also use an R7 + RF 100-400 for lightness and am very happy with it, but if money is no object, the R5ii is a class act).

john1970 · 2024-12-24T05:33:28-0500

As previously mentioned, the first question I would ask is what is your budget?

Other points to consider:

1) Would you consider a APS-C size sensor rather than FF sensor?
2) Do you like to crop your photos a lot? Many bird photographers do.
3) What lenses do you plan to use with the camera? Do you already own lenses or plan to buy new?
4) What is the largest print size you produce?

If you are starting out new in bird photography you might also want to consider Nikon a viable option. The Nikon 600 mm f6.3 PF and 800 mm f6.3 PF lenses are excellent though do get pricey. The Nikon Z8 is popular among bird photographer that use Nikon products.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

candyman · 2024-12-24T05:16:39-0500

tareqphoto said:
Hi all,

Let me make it simple and clear straight forward question like to start over

What is the best Canon cameras for birding [and wildlife]?

I prefer it to be a brand new and mirrorless rather than DSLR which is a thing of the past now.

Thanks

The best camera is personal preference. There are people who prefer the 45 megapixel r5 or r5 MKII because they can crop if the subject is too far away. These cameras have excellent AF. The R6, the R6 Mark II and of course the R3 and the R1 also have excellent AF.

The R1 and R5 Mark II have the pre-capture function that works better than in the R3 (and I believe also the R6 Mark II)

So, budget then plays a role. What are you willing to spend?

tareqphoto · 2024-12-24T04:17:37-0500

Hi all,

Let me make it simple and clear straight forward question like to start over

What is the best Canon cameras for birding [and wildlife]?

I prefer it to be a brand new and mirrorless rather than DSLR which is a thing of the past now.

Thanks

frankchn · 2024-12-24T01:47:08-0500

Richard CR said:
please show me where R3 and R1 share the same model number and get back to me, there's no "technically" about it.

like i said, which for some reason you ignored, my entire criticism which has been publically written about on this site is calling it a Mark III.

I also think that Sony could have done a better job on that sensor, but it was probably cost prohibitive to do so, they have the technology.

I've always maintained that it doesn't really matter to me what Canon or Sony or whoever calls a camera in terms of model number or "flagship" status. I think the A9III is intended as a successor to the A9II in the same way that the R1 is intended as a successor to the R3, and as their sensors get faster, both of the successor cameras seem to pay a penalty in terms of max DR. That's fine.

In any case, I don't think the people who are actually in the market buying these $6k cameras would be unaware of their limitations.

Richard CR · 2024-12-24T01:36:04-0500

frankchn said:
I guess technically the R1 is a new line instead of an existing line, but still at least Sony got a global shutter sensor out of it of the large DR drop.

please show me where R3 and R1 share the same model number and get back to me, there's no "technically" about it.

like i said, which for some reason you ignored, my entire criticism which has been publically written about on this site is calling it a Mark III.

I also think that Sony could have done a better job on that sensor, but it was probably cost prohibitive to do so, they have the technology.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:45:29-0500

dirtyvu said:
I love my R5ii and I feel it\'s the most balanced bang-for-buck flagship camera that Canon offers. It\'s true that the R1 beats out the R5ii by every metric except for resolution and video options so in that sense, it is the true flagship. But most prosumers and hobbyists probably feel the R5ii is a better fit for them.

Well you must not have used the A1 or A9III. I like Canon a lot but the R5II is not a flagship camera. I will let you find the flaws. I prefer the R3 and the R5II have been sent back to Canon.

reisi007 · 2024-12-24T00:44:34-0500

Pre-ordered on launch, has been shipped to me today (R1, Austria)

We seem to be shortly before R1 being in stock

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:40:31-0500

Richard CR said:
MAP Camera has released its sales rankings for November, and the Canon EOS R5 Mark II takes the #1 position as it should. MAP camera is a large camera store in Japan, so this is a look into the domestic market, even though we have been told that the R5 Mark II has been difficult

See full article...

The R5II should not be the #1 ranked camera. It's an improvement over the R5 but not as goods the R3 no matter what people say. I have used them all.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:38:34-0500

It really seems like Canon is cutting corners with addressing its overheating as long as they provide overheating times in their manual. It also seems like they are releasing spec cameras that don't live up to the performance that the R5 and R3 had. My R3 seems to really perform like a professional camera compared to the R5II when you push each camera to the limit. I was expecting the R1 to solve the overheating issue that the R3 and R5II have but it looks like that's not the case.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:32:51-0500

0x2102 said:
Let me quote Canon's manual:
"...The white [Overheating warning] icon indicates that the image quality of still photos will decline. Stop shooting for a while and allow the camera to cool down."

"...The red [Overheating warning] icon indicates that shooting will soon be terminated automatically. Shooting will not be possible again until the camera cools down internally, so stop shooting temporarily or turn off the camera and let it cool down a while."

Once you see any temperature icon it starts the overheating warning. I get what you are saying but I think it's completely unacceptable for a Canon R1 to show 6/10 bars overheating warning while taking photos in a 40F - 70F environment. I have seen something similar with my R5m2 but that's not a Pro body.

I read that also. I'm shocked by the real world results. I have issues with my R5II overheating and was thinking about moving up to the R1.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:30:53-0500

koenkooi said:
Where does it show that it's overheating? The overheating icon for stills (see https://cam.start.canon/en/C018/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-1_0540.html) isn't showing yellow or red yet. Canon also claims the bar you're seeing is only available in movie mode, but that's wrong You can see the manual for that here: https://cam.start.canon/en/C018/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-2_0280.html

Basically: only start worrying when it's red and only one bar is unlit. When it actually overheats, you'll get a bunch of warnings and the camera will shutdown, it won't be subtle about it.

Having said all that, I can't say if the amount of bars you are seeing is considered normal or not for an R1 on a (fake) beach. Are you using pre-continuous shooting a lot? That heats up my R5II a lot!

The R5II overheats in video mode and now the R1 for photo. The overheat icon meter shouldn't even show up. My R5 does not over heat or show the overheat warning since that firmware update. This is not acceptable.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:25:44-0500

EOS 4 Life said:
I disagree.
I predict that we will see a wave of Canon bashing.
People can't stop complaining about the R5 II.

The R5II is a good upgrade over the R5 but maybe not for the money based on the R3 and A1 price drops. It almost seems like Sony built the A1 with so much tech that the other companies cannot beat it. This also includes the R3. With the R1 and R5II Canon seems to have had to make sacrifices that the previous models did not have in photo and video. I wish Canon would fix the overheating issues because I think the R1 will overheat like the R5II and R3 does.

Ryrock77 · 2024-12-24T00:19:42-0500

DhlcadR6 said:
Tbh Nikon and Sony always have advantages on sensors\' paper spec, but real life results differs

Not really. The R5II and now R1 seem to have improvements and caught up to Sony and Nikon but the A1 still seems like the best.

ISv · 2024-12-24T00:02:02-0500

My only mushrooms for now: that f.... (sorry!) rain season is still not here with full power (actually any power - pretty dry and hot!!!).
First one is kind of Leucoagaricus (if someone try to ID this to species level without RNA/DNA analysis - against a type material if some exist (!) I would be very skeptical.
After that an Agrocybe sp.

docsmith · 2024-12-23T23:39:46-0500

I shot the 5D3 during the DRone Wars.

Many pictures are still hung on my walls as trophies.

ISv · 2024-12-23T23:36:35-0500

Maximilian said:
It almost looks like a chanterelle.
Nice snow topping.

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That should be Lactarius (Milkcap or in your language Milchling, Milchkappe) - don't ask me which one

! Oh! I got it: "Milkcap topped with snow"!

P-visie said:
The underside of crimped gill or crispling (Plicaturopsis crispa or Plicatura crispa) on a branch which broke off from a tree and landed on the ground. I put the branch on my mini tripods that I use for my Lumecubes to get separation from the ground and arranged some brown colored leaves as background.

I only noticed that I had photographed the underside of the crimped gill when I looked up the species at home.
This is a stack of 40 photos (with Helicon focus). R5 Mk II with EF 180mm f3.5 L macro, with polarizer to remove the glare from the rainwater.

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I have no idea (or I'm getting very old/useless)! I'm originally from Europe but at least for now I can't recall anything like this... Sorry!

frankchn · 2024-12-23T23:09:43-0500

neuroanatomist said:
Personally, I didn't think 1-1.5 stops of DR was big deal over a decade ago when Canon was 'behind' Sony and Nikon, and I don't think it's a big deal now.

That's fair, though the drop was more than 2 stops (max DR of 11.42 on the D800 vs 9.25 on the 5D3) between the 5D3 and D800.

frankchn · 2024-12-23T23:05:40-0500

Richard CR said:
My only beef was that they make it a Mark III of an existing line, so it's less obvious that you would take both a dynamic range and a significant noise hit upgrading to a new model.

Looks like a drop from 10.9 to 10 between A92 and A93 in maximum DR, and for equivalent ISOs maybe 1/3-stop at worst.

In fact this is almost the same performance drop between the R3 and the R1 (11.9 to 10.8 in maximum DR, and 1/3-stop drop at equivalent ISOs -- with worse results in the intermediate ISOs because of the higher 2nd gain step and lack of a 3rd gain step in the R1).

I guess technically the R1 is a new line instead of an existing line, but still at least Sony got a global shutter sensor out of it of the large DR drop.

neuroanatomist · 2024-12-23T23:03:18-0500

Gogo7 said:
Everyone that was criticizing the Sony A9iii for its lack of dynamic range will now say: ohhh you see the Canon R1 is not that bad , it competes with A9iii , so it’s all good . That’s called hypocrisy
But anyways , I love my R1 but it seems every camera company moving forward , makes a step backwards when it comes to image quality and It’s all about speed now .

Personally, I didn't think 1-1.5 stops of DR was big deal over a decade ago when Canon was 'behind' Sony and Nikon, and I don't think it's a big deal now. I do criticize Sony for claiming there was no less DR on the a9 III (even though I get their logic was the DR is essentially the same at ISO 250 on the a9 II, that's disingenuous at best).

The only difference between the R1 and R3 is at ISO <200 (and as I stated, 1-stop is not a big deal). For me, 6% of my shots with the R3 are at ISO <200 anyway. If someone wants to choose the R3 over the R1 for an extra stop of DR at low ISO, that's their choice. IMO, saving 1/3 of the cost is a far better reason to choose the R3.

ISv · 2024-12-23T23:00:09-0500

The first photo was intended as for the "Mushrooms" (and I will post one in the "Mushrooms" topic!) until I got home and found more than the mushrooms and a fly: Millipede! These are creepy enough for participating in some movies (The Lord of the Rings?)! They are not fast but in the movies they can make even a snail chasing Ferrari (on Nurburgring!!!) so, it should not be a problem

!
After that a small gem that needs a macro lens and focus stacking and one more Monarch - just to get out of the Land of the Darkness!

Richard CR · 2024-12-23T22:54:01-0500

Gogo7 said:
Everyone that was criticizing the Sony A9iii for its lack of dynamic range will now say: ohhh you see the Canon R1 is not that bad , it competes with A9iii , so it’s all good . That’s called hypocrisy
But anyways , I love my R1 but it seems every camera company moving forward , makes a step backwards when it comes to image quality and It’s all about speed now .

My only beef was that they make it a Mark III of an existing line, so it's less obvious that you would take both a dynamic range and a significant noise hit upgrading to a new model.

Richard CR · 2024-12-23T22:51:26-0500

john1970 said:
These results do make me wonder if Canon or Sony will really be able to improve low ISO DR performance for very fast (or global) stacked sensors.

not easily for a full frame sensor.

OldDudePhotog · 2024-12-23T21:12:03-0500

I only use full ES as well for almost all of my shooting. I would only use mechanical for something like landscape or waterfalls and if I'm shooting those, I am using my R5m2.

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