The likelihood of a Canon EOS R6 Mark III this year is near zero

I’d be a little surprised if Canon puts a stacked sensor in the 6-series so soon. Yes, Nikon did…but they need to be more aggressive than Canon.

OTOH, if it goes in the R6III, maybe also the R8II?
I agree that Nikon needs to be more agressive than Canon to maintain their marketshare. On the other hand, as I posted in an other thread about the R6 Mk III: When Nikon announced the Z6 III they said on Petapixel: “Nikon says the “mid-range” market — think Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Sony a7 IV, and the Fujifilm X-T5 — is booming and comprises nearly 60% of all revenue in the interchangeable lens camera space and an even greater percentage of cameras on a per-unit basis.”
If 60% of revenue is a correct number, it is important for manufacturers to be competitive in this part of the market. Putting the R3 sensor in the R6 Mk III may make sense for Canon.
 
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I’d be a little surprised if Canon puts a stacked sensor in the 6-series so soon. Yes, Nikon did…but they need to be more aggressive than Canon.

OTOH, if it goes in the R6III, maybe also the R8II?
It is an already existing sensor though with essentially no more r&d required. Would probably be one of the cheapest ways for them to “respond” to the z6iii. There is some precedent with the original r6 inheriting the 1dxiii sensor (minus the trick AA filter)

As far as r8ii - hard to say. It could well be giving the r6 line a little bit more separation from the r8 would better fit their business interests.

I agree that Nikon needs to be more agressive than Canon to maintain their marketshare. On the other hand, as I posted in an other thread about the R6 Mk III: When Nikon announced the Z6 III they said on Petapixel: “Nikon says the “mid-range” market — think Canon EOS R6 Mark II, Sony a7 IV, and the Fujifilm X-T5 — is booming and comprises nearly 60% of all revenue in the interchangeable lens camera space and an even greater percentage of cameras on a per-unit basis.”
If 60% of revenue is a correct number, it is important for manufacturers to be competitive in this part of the market. Putting the R3 sensor in the R6 Mk III may make sense for Canon.

The segment being particularly competitive would also fit with the r6 being refreshed quicker than the rest of the R line.

Next one pretty much has to be faster or higher res. And if they decide faster is the way to go, I think the r3 sensor could be a smart way of going about it.
 
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I’d be a little surprised if Canon puts a stacked sensor in the 6-series so soon. Yes, Nikon did…but they need to be more aggressive than Canon.
But note that Nikon did not put the fully stacked sensor out of the Z 8 and Z 9 into the Z 6III or even a lower resolution one with the same technology. They went with one partially stacked lower resolution sensor which is likely quite a bit less expensive to produce.
 
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But note that Nikon did not put the fully stacked sensor out of the Z 8 and Z 9 into the Z 6III or even a lower resolution one with the same technology. They went with one partially stacked lower resolution sensor which is likely quite a bit less expensive to produce.
Thanks, I had read at some point that but forgotten. It was on a list of stacked sensor cameras, and stood out as the ‘cheap’ FF one.
 
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Sounds good to me. Literally just boxed up this R6ii after discussing it for so long.

If it can be gone within a week that would be great.

If BH trade in values weren't so laughable, I'd march right over there and leave with an s5ii+50mm combo pack. Enjoy for whomever gets their hand on it, its quite literally in perfect condition.

It's time!!
 
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I’d be a little surprised if Canon puts a stacked sensor in the 6-series so soon. Yes, Nikon did…but they need to be more aggressive than Canon.
Raiding the spare parts bin is good business practice to introduce new features to warmed-over upgrades.
It is certainly cheaper than developing/manufacturing a new sensor and given ongoing supply chain constraints perhaps a sensible hardware decision from our external viewpoint.
Hopefully it would also reduce the cost to produce if there are greater volumes than just the R3 sales.

Nikon's version was "partial" stacking which wasn't obvious for the binary choice of stacked or not. Gerard Undone reportedly had this info:
"Only some portions of the sensor have that extra circuitry that make it stacked, located at the top and the bottom to give the sensor an impressive speed boost without inflating the cost as much when compared with other fully stacked sensors."
It is still a new sensor though.

It leaves 2 questions though:
- What would then happen to the R3? It could remain as the "pro" body with one CFe card, AF nipple controller and eye controller vs the R6 style body. That should be sufficient differentiation although dramatically different price of USD4.5k vs USD2k for R6ii and maybe USD2.5k for R6iii
- Realistically, what proportion of new buyers would jump directly to the mid level R6/Z6/A7 body/pricepoint and how flexible of those existing owners prepared to switch (or have multiple) systems?
 
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- What would then happen to the R3? It could remain as the "pro" body with one CFe card, AF nipple controller and eye controller vs the R6 style body. That should be sufficient differentiation although dramatically different price of USD4.5k vs USD2k for R6ii and maybe USD2.5k for R6iii
I think there's a decent chance the R3 is simply discontinued. If it does live on as a mark II, I could see them giving it the R5II sensor.

Either way, as I noted earlier, there is already some precedent for the 6-series body sharing its sensor with the pro body (R6 and 1DXIII back then).
Nikon's version was "partial" stacking which wasn't obvious for the binary choice of stacked or not. Gerard Undone reportedly had this info:
"Only some portions of the sensor have that extra circuitry that make it stacked, located at the top and the bottom to give the sensor an impressive speed boost without inflating the cost as much when compared with other fully stacked sensors."
It is still a new sensor though.
Specifically it's these chunks of silicon abutting the sensor. Seems to let them increase the speed without it being as complicated to build as a true stacked sensor. Readout speed is about the same as the R6II (~14.5ms), though it is 14-bit instead of 12-bit, so there is still ~4x as much data being transferred in the same amount of time.

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