Canon EOS R6 Mark III prototypes are in the wild

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SvO2 said:
I’m sure there are some R owners who have held out because the R5 went up significantly in price compared to the R, and the R6 series can be perceived as a downgrade in many respects (lower res, sensor, lower res viewfinder, smaller and lower res rear display, no top display, plastic instead of magnesium off the top of my head)
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I was exactly in that spot. I loved my R but it had some flaws such as no joystick, low FPS and an e-shutter which is/ was basically unusable. If it weren't for those reasons, I´d still be shooting with it.

When looking for a new camera I was torn between the R6mkii and the R5... Since I don't own super long tele lenses I do rely on cropping which made the R6mkii an uncomfortable choice. The price point of the R5 was way out of my league, at least too much for what I wanted to pay. By chance, I found a mint condition R5 with less than 7.000 shutter count at price point which equalled the R6mkii new with all the rebates. So, I got it.

In retrospect, I really think it is a shame the R never got a true successor. It had some premium features and especially some the R6 didn't have such as a top LCD. But I do understand Canon why they decided not to give it a successor.
 
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With the R1/ 3 there are already two perfectly capable cameras built for speed, I don't why the R6mkiii should go in the same direction...

In addition, if the R6mkiii gets a digic Accelerator, a dual CFExpress card slot, the AF of the R1/ R5 it would mean it'll certainly move across the 3.000 € border. The gap between the R8 and the R6 would be quite huge imho. I think Canon should either move up the R8 as well (include a joystick, maybe IBIS) a little further and introduce a R9 as a more basic and affordable model or keep the R6mkiii at the same price point (basically, for six months it was sitting at 2.199 €) and not push it further.But that would probably mean it'll receive minor updates.
 
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With the next camera generation I would love to see some minor but helpful improvements:

- dedicated AF button for animal, people, vehicle AF options
- the ability to have file numbers to go up to 99.999 (or more, I don´t care)
- the ability to have longer file names (wtf, just three or four letters?!?!)
- GPS for all single digit cameras
 
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Exploreshootshare said:
With the R1/ 3 there are already two perfectly capable cameras built for speed, I don't why the R6mkiii should go in the same direction...

In addition, if the R6mkiii gets a digic Accelerator, a dual CFExpress card slot, the AF of the R1/ R5 it would mean it'll certainly move across the 3.000 € border. The gap between the R8 and the R6 would be quite huge imho. I think Canon should either move up the R8 as well (include a joystick, maybe IBIS) a little further and introduce a R9 as a more basic and affordable model or keep the R6mkiii at the same price point (basically, for six months it was sitting at 2.199 €) and not push it further.But that would probably mean it'll receive minor updates.
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The R6II/R8 received a digic X variant that had more powerful processing as well as much improved power efficiency, Canon could do something similar for the R6III: Not use a dual digic X like the R5II/R1, but a more powerful single chip design.

That would keep spec warriors that bought an R5II happy, while giving the R6III a nice boost in performance.

For past models, a dual digic tended to be a single model things, a more powerful, single digic solution would follow ‘shorty’ after.
 
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Exploreshootshare said:
With the R1/ 3 there are already two perfectly capable cameras built for speed, I don't why the R6mkiii should go in the same direction...

In addition, if the R6mkiii gets a digic Accelerator, a dual CFExpress card slot, the AF of the R1/ R5 it would mean it'll certainly move across the 3.000 € border. The gap between the R8 and the R6 would be quite huge imho. I think Canon should either move up the R8 as well (include a joystick, maybe IBIS) a little further and introduce a R9 as a more basic and affordable model or keep the R6mkiii at the same price point (basically, for six months it was sitting at 2.199 €) and not push it further.But that would probably mean it'll receive minor updates.
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The R6 and R6II were already bodies favoring speed over resolution. Going with a stacked sensor would be the next step if they continue with the previous philosophy.

My guess would be it doesn’t get the digic accelerator and does end up essentially being a baby R3. Either way, I don’t see why it would “certainly move across $3000”. Based on the R8 (which has basically the same expensive bits as the R6II), Canon has plenty of room to make profit at the MSRP of $2500. I doubt it’ll get dual CFe though, that’ll be kept as an r1 exclusive for at least a generation.

I don’t think the R8 needs to move upmarket. The R6 line already exists for the people who want a more upmarket R8.
 
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SvO2 said:
I don’t think the R8 needs to move upmarket. The R6 line already exists for the people who want a more upmarket R8.
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I don't think the R8 has to move upmarket. I just wanted to state the case that IF the R6mkiii moves up, there'd be a need. Once (and only if) the R6mkiii crosses the 3.000 € line, it'll probably go to 3.199 € because from the POV of consumer psychology it doesn't make sense to tag it with 3.049 € or 3.099 €. The retail price of the mkii was 300 € than the mki. If Canon applies this raise again, the camera really does hit a different price level.
 
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frankchn said:
A CFexpress slot will be very welcome especially if the camera is targeted towards speed.

I expect it will also get the pre-capture software in the R1/R52 where it writes individual RAW files and doesn’t lock the camera up to write out the buffer.
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Honestly why?
throw in a good SD card and you will have no problem filling-emptying the buffer unless you keep the 40fps pressed without any hesitation (and ending with more files you can manage afterwards).
I use it for all kind of sports, i shot cRAW and practically i never had buffer issues.
 
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deorum said:
Honestly why?
throw in a good SD card and you will have no problem filling-emptying the buffer unless you keep the 40fps pressed without any hesitation (and ending with more files you can manage afterwards).
I use it for all kind of sports, i shot cRAW and practically i never had buffer issues.
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I get around 350MB/s when offloading images to my computer. With tens of gigabytes of images from a full day, that is very welcome.

Can your SD card do that?
 
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Exploreshootshare said:
I don't think the R8 has to move upmarket. I just wanted to state the case that IF the R6mkiii moves up, there'd be a need. Once (and only if) the R6mkiii crosses the 3.000 € line, it'll probably go to 3.199 € because from the POV of consumer psychology it doesn't make sense to tag it with 3.049 € or 3.099 €. The retail price of the mkii was 300 € than the mki. If Canon applies this raise again, the camera really does hit a different price level.
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In the US, both the R6 and R6II launched at $2500. I could see the III moving up a little (maybe $2800), but probably still under $3k. I think the R8 would be fine as is even in that case.
 
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No it can't. But when i'm in the office i never bothered if my offloading takes 3-4 minutes or 5-6 minutes (thats about 8-9gb/minute with 150mb/sec). I put the cards in, open my emails etc, and its done.
My main concern was always not to miss any images/moments that will not come back. And with R6 ii, this is a solved issue already. I must really try to mess with the buffer.
 
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kaihp said:
I get around 350MB/s when offloading images to my computer. With tens of gigabytes of images from a full day, that is very welcome.

Can your SD card do that?
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UHSII SD cards can do 312 MB/s

Though my speeds with CFE can theoretically do more than an order of magnitude faster. I think my average read speeds with my card and card reader were more along the lines of 1GB/s (and as noted it can go much faster with the right hardware)
 
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SvO2 said:
UHSII SD cards can do 312 MB/s

Though my speeds with CFE can theoretically do more than an order of magnitude faster. I think my average read speeds with my card and card reader were more along the lines of 1GB/s (and as noted it can go much faster with the right hardware)
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The good SD cards I have here do 250-280Mbyte/s when copying files to my computer, my CFe card does about 2200-2500MByte/s. It does depend on how busy the target drive is at that moment, if I'm copying around other files, both the SD and CFe speeds drop in half.
 
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SvO2 said:
In the US, both the R6 and R6II launched at $2500. I could see the III moving up a little (maybe $2800), but probably still under $3k. I think the R8 would be fine as is even in that case.
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Is there any hard reason why R6iii should not be at ot above $3,000 with the R5ii above $4,000?
 
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deorum said:
Honestly why?
throw in a good SD card and you will have no problem filling-emptying the buffer unless you keep the 40fps pressed without any hesitation (and ending with more files you can manage afterwards).
I use it for all kind of sports, i shot cRAW and practically i never had buffer issues.
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I've replied to another member here in more detail here: https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...prototypes-are-in-the-wild.43956/post-1010115, but in short CFe cards are a lot faster especially if you make liberal use of pre-shooting (likely <2 seconds of buffer in RAW w/ pre-shooting if Canon keeps the same amount of buffer RAM as the current R6II), and they are 4x cheaper to boot.
 
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SvO2 said:
R6iii is in a more competitive market segment with somewhat more price sensitive customers.
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I see your point. However, couldn't everything get pushed up a bit in price? For example, many people complain about the R100 having the lack of touch screen. In theory adding that could increase the price and in order to avoid R100ii competition with R50, a simple solution is increasing everything some amount. Given prices of food have gone up in various places other products increasing as well doesn’t seem far fetched to me. It's not what I'd want but it could be what executives want. It could help a more expensive R7ii be produced for those that want it to have better capabilities and durability. Just throwing the idea out there. Anyone think it's possible or not possible?
 
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EricN said:
I see your point. However, couldn't everything get pushed up a bit in price? For example, many people complain about the R100 having the lack of touch screen. In theory adding that could increase the price and in order to avoid R100ii competition with R50, a simple solution is increasing everything some amount. Given prices of food have gone up in various places other products increasing as well doesn’t seem far fetched to me. It's not what I'd want but it could be what executives want. It could help a more expensive R7ii be produced for those that want it to have better capabilities and durability. Just throwing the idea out there. Anyone think it's possible or not possible?
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I mean they could, it depends on how confident canon is that it won’t lose customers over a price increase. At the lower end of the spectrum where you’ll have a larger number of customers sensitive to price changes and also less likely to be “locked in” due to owning a small number of lenses, the greater the risk is.

Price of food increasing is precisely why Canon has to be a little careful- luxury goods are the first things people give up when the cost of living increases. R6 market can probably handle some increase since ultimately people spending a few thousand bucks on a camera have some excess cash. But I think raising the price at the low end would be a bad move unless they introduce an even lower tier of product to retain those customers.
 
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SvO2 said:
I mean they could, it depends on how confident canon is that it won’t lose customers over a price increase. At the lower end of the spectrum where you’ll have a larger number of customers sensitive to price changes and also less likely to be “locked in” due to owning a small number of lenses, the greater the risk is.

Price of food increasing is precisely why Canon has to be a little careful- luxury goods are the first things people give up when the cost of living increases. R6 market can probably handle some increase since ultimately people spending a few thousand bucks on a camera have some excess cash. But I think raising the price at the low end would be a bad move unless they introduce an even lower tier of product to retain those customers.
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I think Canon has very good market details... they cannot be leading the market if they do not understand the market well... though many had condemned Canon to "DOOM".. .
 
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For me, the only things that are missing are the top screen and higher res evf (complete with ovf simulation not available on the old R5 else I\'d buy that). I bought the R6 II then sold it in favour of my old 5D4 because it gave me better results in most situations, I just didn\'t enjoy shooting with it enough to justify the cost, especially when my old L lenses felt front heavy with adapter.

Only Nikon has a top plate display in this market segment. If starting again I'd probably go with Nikon for that reason. If Canon adds this to the R6III I'd probably buy one, and perhaps add the new RF35L too.
 
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