Year in Review: My thoughts on all things Canon in 2024.

The RF lineup is looking more or less "complete." There will be more, but it's not like the early days where Canon was still coming out with new lenses that had previously only existed in EF. There are no obvious holes.
Still some obvious holes but the real question is whether Canon sees them as such.
Wide/fast primes ie 20mm or wider, f1.8 or bigger with good coma performance
=> Canon could allow Sigma etc to convert theirs to RF if Canon didn't want to make them. f2.8 is/was the max aperture and 14/2.8 was expensive and not "stellar" (pardon the pun).

RF replacements for EF end-of-sale specialty lenses are also holes eg EF8-15mm/4, MP-E65mm, EF180mm macro.
RF replacement of TS-E lenses given the patents granted.
People also complain about mid priced big white primes not being available similar to the situation of 50/1.2 and 50/1.8 with nothing between until recently. 300/4, 500mm (any aperture), 600/5.6, 800/6.3 etc on a weight diet.

None of these are high volume sellers but definitely still "holes".
Mark 2 of existing RF lenses could be a higher priority.
 
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It’s very likely a bad interaction between how unsteady I hold the camera and IBIS. The original R5 had a bug where IBIS would twist the sensor in anticipation of people rotating the body when pressing the shutter. A firmware update fixed that, that was a noticeable improvement.

It’s fine on the R8, which is a better choice for candids anyway :)
My R5M2 is doing exactly that when shooting video with my 24-105 f4 lens from my R5. It twists the video/image regularly.
 
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I'm still on the fence about the RF50 f/1.4L VCM, it ticks the boxes I want but I'm unsure if it's worth the money over the 50STM I have.
Likewise. I also kind of feel (size/weight aside, which don’t bother me too much in this case) that if I’m going to spend the money on the 1.4 I might as well save up a bit longer and get the 1.2…
 
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How would you compare it to the RF 24-105mm F4 L IS USM? I know there are "clinical" test, but I really don´t care for them. I by far prefer real world testing and the experience of fellow photographers. I wanted to sell my RF 24-105mm but apparently it is banged up a bit too much for a good value with a reselling company. There offer was to low, so I kept it. Initially, I wanted to swap the 24-105mm for the 28-70mm, so I´m really interested in your opinion.
I had the 24-105 f/4. Good solid lens, but, never exceptional. I replaced it with the 24-70 f/2,8. As to the 28-70, I'd still hesitate. The one I tested was sub-par at 28mm, while others find it really good...My 24-105 was much much better at 28mm. Could be a case of sample variations, since TDP's optical quality results weren't overwhelming either.
Very personal opinion: The 24-105 f/4 is a good value, also optically, and well built . I would keep it! Even if you're lucky with the 28-70, you won't gain much (if at all) optically. Of course, if you need f/2,8?
I will wait for either a lighter 28-70 f/2, a 24-70 f/2 or a 24-70 f/2,8 II.
And I too prefer real life testing, but knowing that opinions are just this, opinions...Mine as well.
My favorite quote from the former Leica Chief Optical Developer, Dr. Mandler: Lenses are not made to photograph charts...
 
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I had the 24-105 f/4. Good solid lens, but, never exceptional. I replaced it with the 24-70 f/2,8. As to the 28-70, I'd still hesitate. The one I tested was sub-par at 28mm, while others find it really good...My 24-105 was much much better at 28mm. Could be a case of sample variations, since TDP's optical quality results weren't overwhelming either.
Very personal opinion: The 24-105 f/4 is a good value, also optically, and well built . I would keep it! Even if you're lucky with the 28-70, you won't gain much (if at all) optically. Of course, if you need f/2,8?
I will wait for either a lighter 28-70 f/2, a 24-70 f/2 or a 24-70 f/2,8 II.
And I too prefer real life testing, but knowing that opinions are just this, opinions...Mine as well.
My favorite quote from the former Leica Chief Optical Developer, Dr. Mandler: Lenses are not made to photograph charts...
My RF 24-105/4 is very good, though the 24-105/2.8 is somewhat better. The IQ of my 28-70/2 trades off through the overlapping range with the 24-105/4. The advantage isn’t IQ, it’s two stops of light/DoF.
 
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I had the 24-105 f/4. Good solid lens, but, never exceptional. I replaced it with the 24-70 f/2,8. As to the 28-70, I'd still hesitate. The one I tested was sub-par at 28mm, while others find it really good...My 24-105 was much much better at 28mm. Could be a case of sample variations, since TDP's optical quality results weren't overwhelming either.
Very personal opinion: The 24-105 f/4 is a good value, also optically, and well built . I would keep it! Even if you're lucky with the 28-70, you won't gain much (if at all) optically. Of course, if you need f/2,8?
I will wait for either a lighter 28-70 f/2, a 24-70 f/2 or a 24-70 f/2,8 II.
And I too prefer real life testing, but knowing that opinions are just this, opinions...Mine as well.
My favorite quote from the former Leica Chief Optical Developer, Dr. Mandler: Lenses are not made to photograph charts...
I would also take a 28-70/2 that weighed 1kg or less, but at 1.5kg (current model), I can't do it.
 
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I don't think the RF transition resulted in a more expensive system, because it's still an extension of the EF system. It isn't that surprising that the prices went up a bit when the entire lineup was refreshed (with new optical designs, usually better). But excellent EF lenses can be had for a much lower price. For example, the modern EF 70-200/2.8 L IS II/III is now available for half the price it was just a few years ago.
The RF-System is more expensive when you compare the equivalent products

Cameras:
Canon 6D ($2000) vs. Canon R (2500€) / R6 (2600€)
Canon 5DIV ($3500) / 5Ds ($3700) vs. Canon R5 (4400€)

Lenses Holy Trinity, current prices:
EF 16-35/2.8 vs. RF 15-35/2.8 IS: ca. 2000€ (no longer available) vs 2450€
EF 24-70/2.8 vs. 24-70/2.8 IS: 1950€ vs. 2550€
EF 70-200/2.8IS III vs. RF 70-200IS: 2100€ vs 2850€
EF 100-400L IS vs RF 100-500L IS: roughly 2000€ vs. 3000€

Primes
EF 50L vs. RF 50L: 1500€ vs. 2450€
EF 85L vs RF 85L: ca. 1800€ (not longer available) vs. 2950€
EF 135L vs 135L IS: 1000€ vs. 2500€

APS-C Lenses
EF-S 10-18 vs RF 10-18: 230€ vs 360€

The increase in price is about 50%. One would expect at least the mirrorless Cameras to be cheaper, because you need no Mirror - therefore mirrorless - (and in some cases even no shutter), but instead the prices went up. One could argue, that Canon implemented IS in the Wideangle- and Standard zooms, but also the prices for the ultra-wide slow zooms with IS went up (EF 16-35/4IS vs 14-35/4IS: 1000€ vs. 1400€). The most substancial increase was the prices for the fast primes - more than 50%. Even the price for the nifty-fifty went up (120€ vs 200€), nearly doubling!

Only the Entry level full-frame Camera, the RP was initially cheaper than the entry-level Full-frame DSLR, the 6D. (1300€ vs. ca. 2000€).
 
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I would also take a 28-70/2 that weighed 1kg or less, but at 1.5kg (current model), I can't do it.
I need a high quality zoom mostly for hiking, no chance for the current RF 28-70 f/2...
Instead, I take some Leica M primes, since I always use the Leica M digital as a second body.
With a lightweight 28-70 f/2, I would need only an EOS R, the 15-35, the 28-70 and the 100-500 and save some weight.
Please Canon, set this lens on priority RED! ;)
 
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The RF-System is more expensive when you compare the equivalent products

Cameras:
Canon 6D ($2000) vs. Canon R (2500€) / R6 (2600€)
Canon 5DIV ($3500) / 5Ds ($3700) vs. Canon R5 (4400€)

Lenses Holy Trinity, current prices:
EF 16-35/2.8 vs. RF 15-35/2.8 IS: ca. 2000€ (no longer available) vs 2450€
EF 24-70/2.8 vs. 24-70/2.8 IS: 1950€ vs. 2550€
EF 70-200/2.8IS III vs. RF 70-200IS: 2100€ vs 2850€
EF 100-400L IS vs RF 100-500L IS: roughly 2000€ vs. 3000€

Primes
EF 50L vs. RF 50L: 1500€ vs. 2450€
EF 85L vs RF 85L: ca. 1800€ (not longer available) vs. 2950€
EF 135L vs 135L IS: 1000€ vs. 2500€

APS-C Lenses
EF-S 10-18 vs RF 10-18: 230€ vs 360€

The increase in price is about 50%. One would expect at least the mirrorless Cameras to be cheaper, because you need no Mirror - therefore mirrorless - (and in some cases even no shutter), but instead the prices went up. One could argue, that Canon implemented IS in the Wideangle- and Standard zooms, but also the prices for the ultra-wide slow zooms with IS went up (EF 16-35/4IS vs 14-35/4IS: 1000€ vs. 1400€). The most substancial increase was the prices for the fast primes - more than 50%. Even the price for the nifty-fifty went up (120€ vs 200€), nearly doubling!

Only the Entry level full-frame Camera, the RP was initially cheaper than the entry-level Full-frame DSLR, the 6D. (1300€ vs. ca. 2000€).
You're comparing apples and oranges.

The nominal launch prices of bodies have always increased over time. Let's compare US prices here. In 2008, the 5Dii launched at $2700. In 2012, the 5Diii was $3500. In 2016, the 5Div was $3500 (a rare example of the nominal price not increasing). In 2020, the R5 was $3900. In 2024, the R5ii was $4300. Even putting aside the notion that these cameras may not be exactly equivalently positioned, we must account for inflation. Using this calculator based on US CPI inflation data, the launch prices of each of these cameras, expressed in 2024 dollars, would be:

5Dii: $3959
5Diii: $4812
5Div: $4603
R5: $4757
R5ii: $4300

If you account for inflation, the R5ii is actually the second-cheapest of these cameras at launch, and the cheapest since the 5Dii (which was released back in 2008). Additionally, there are two RF cameras that essentially borrowed sensors from an EF predecessor. The RP uses the sensor of the 6Dii; the R uses the sensor of the 5Div. Both of the mirrorless cameras launched at a lower price than their DSLR counterparts sold for at the time. Canon did pass on a savings to the consumer on that front.

It's true that, when the RF system came out, bodies were more expensive, in part because there were no APS-C bodies and because you couldn't buy a used body from an older generation (since those were all EF). But RF bodies are now available for a lot less. B&H will sell a very good condition used R5 for $2300, or an R6 for under $1500. You can get even cheaper ones if you're willing to put in a little bit of work. Both of those are excellent modern cameras. (It's true that you can get old EF bodies used for even less, but that's natural.)

Similar comments could be said about lens prices to some extent (repricing of new products matching launch of original + adjustment for inflation). But we must also not forget that some of these lenses are wildly different from their predecessors. Take the 85/1.2, to give just one example. The EF 85/1.2 Mark II was using the same optical formula as the original EF 85/1.2 from the 1980s (with some new coatings). I actually owned one of those lenses. It got you f/1.2, but at the cost of a ton of fringing and softness if you didn't stop down. The RF 85/1.2 is essentially perfect. It's a totally different lens. Compare the results for yourself. If Canon had come out with those lenses on the EF mount, you'd see a similar increase in price.

And if you like the older lenses, they are plentiful on the used market. A number of them (such as the latest 70-200/2.8 EF lenses) are quite good. You don't really lose any capabilities using an EF lens on an RF body. I use a ton. The RF system introduced new options, greatly enhanced the bodies' capabilities and made all the existing lenses cheaper in terms of street price. The EF lenses aren't about to go bad, and they work seamlessly with RF cameras.

Still some obvious holes but the real question is whether Canon sees them as such.
Wide/fast primes ie 20mm or wider, f1.8 or bigger with good coma performance
=> Canon could allow Sigma etc to convert theirs to RF if Canon didn't want to make them. f2.8 is/was the max aperture and 14/2.8 was expensive and not "stellar" (pardon the pun).

RF replacements for EF end-of-sale specialty lenses are also holes eg EF8-15mm/4, MP-E65mm, EF180mm macro.
RF replacement of TS-E lenses given the patents granted.
People also complain about mid priced big white primes not being available similar to the situation of 50/1.2 and 50/1.8 with nothing between until recently. 300/4, 500mm (any aperture), 600/5.6, 800/6.3 etc on a weight diet.

None of these are high volume sellers but definitely still "holes".
Mark 2 of existing RF lenses could be a higher priority.
For sure, there are lenses that they don't offer and could add. Sigma's 14/1.8 is still the best 14mm prime compatible with the RF system. But, as you note, Canon never made an ultrawide prime that fast during the EF days, either. But when I say there are no holes, I mean that all the bases are covered for generalists and many specialists. (Of course, the EF lenses remain usable, too.) For instance, a number of the lenses you mention have no equivalent on Sony or Nikon's mirrorless system either. If Sony has a complete system, Canon has one too.

The MP-E 65mm was ultra-specialist. I wouldn't hold my breath for a replacement, especially now that we live in a world where Laowa make a similar ultra-macro lens. The 8-15 fisheye still seems in stock at major retailers, and a CR2 from a while ago said it's getting an RF successor. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 180 macro or similar come along eventually, too.

Of course, the RF system has also given us other new lenses with no EF equivalent, such as the 24-105/2.8 and 28-70/2. And both those lenses have been positively received! That's not even counting vastly improved lenses like the 85/1.2 and 50/1.2, which are in totally different leagues from their EF counterparts.
 
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The MP-E 65mm was ultra-specialist. I wouldn't hold my breath for a replacement, especially now that we live in a world where Laowa make a similar ultra-macro lens. […]
Laowa and brands cloning them like Astrhori indeed have great macro lenses, but no RF mount lenses with electronically controlled aperture or even simple lens ID. That means you don’t get the nice manual focus aids and IBIS will be either off or degraded.

The EF version of the Laowa 100mm did have electronics, but they removed those in the RF version :(
 
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Laowa and brands cloning them like Astrhori indeed have great macro lenses, but no RF mount lenses with electronically controlled aperture or even simple lens ID. That means you don’t get the nice manual focus aids and IBIS will be either off or degraded.

The EF version of the Laowa 100mm did have electronics, but they removed those in the RF version :(
Well, sure, though you can use the EF ones still. I actually use a Sigma EF 70/2.8 Art macro pretty extensively for work.

The MP-E 65mm is a very weird lens, though. And I don't think missing out on the electronics is a huge deal for that particular lens type. Also, IBIS works perfectly with full-manual lenses when you set the focal length in settings.
 
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Well, sure, though you can use the EF ones still. I actually use a Sigma EF 70/2.8 Art macro pretty extensively for work.

The MP-E 65mm is a very weird lens, though. And I don't think missing out on the electronics is a huge deal for that particular lens type. Also, IBIS works perfectly with full-manual lenses when you set the focal length in settings.
Being able to focus wide open and have the camera close it down during exposure is extremely useful, the f/96 equivalent makes the EVF very noisy and low-res.
 
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\"There has been a lot of nonsense things written about the EOS R1, and it\'s all based around pixel count.\"

Well, Duh! After releasing the R3, why bother with the R1, which is basically identical to the R3. The few R1 advantages could be easily added to the R3. Bumping the R1 to 60-80 mp or more would make it a camera worthy of \"1\" status. I was already resigned to eating dog food for 6 months but saving $2,000 after buying the R5Mk2 made me both happy and disappointed at the same time.
 
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Personally, I would put the R5 Mark II as the best camera this year over the R1. It compares very favorably both to its predecessors and to the competition (an A1II for $2000+ discount).

The 1 series has been very focused on sports/PJ since the original 1D and it is even more evident with the R1. I wouldn't really recommend the R1 over the R5II to anyone who asks -- because if you know you need/want the R1, you are not asking for my opinion anyway :p

Though I must say, if Canon gives us an R1s (just put the R5II sensor in the R1 body), it will be a day 1 preorder for me.
 
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Personally, I would put the R5 Mark II as the best camera this year over the R1. It compares very favorably both to its predecessors and to the competition (an A1II for $2000+ discount).

The 1 series has been very focused on sports/PJ since the original 1D and it is even more evident with the R1. I wouldn't really recommend the R1 over the R5II to anyone who asks -- because if you know you need/want the R1, you are not asking for my opinion anyway :p

Though I must say, if Canon gives us an R1s (just put the R5II sensor in the R1 body), it will be a day 1 preorder for me.
This is the first time I've heard someone prefer the R5m2 sensor in a R1 versus the R1 as it is. It made me wonder about having the R1 sensor in a R5m2? And I might actually prefer that 2nd option (R5m2 with R1 sensor), since my preference is for a smaller body (R5m2) and a sensor with cross-green AF sensor (R1) even if it is half the pixel count. Before getting into Canon, I had an Oly EM1m2 and I had no problem with the 20+MP sensor, and only yearned for a FF sensor for the bigger background blur it offers, so a FF 20+MP sensor with cross-green AF sensor (a very big improvement to me) would probably be my preference if I had to choose.

The Swedes have a saying: "Smaken är som baken, ... Delad!" which means "Taste(preference) is like the butt, ... Divided!"
 
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This is the first time I've heard someone prefer the R5m2 sensor in a R1 versus the R1 as it is.
I think for me (as someone who owns both the R1 and the R5II) I prefer the R1 ergonomics and quality of life features (better EVF, matched card slots, bigger battery, etc...) but appreciate the higher resolution of the R5II and don't need the 40 fps that the R1 can give me with what I shoot.

And you are absolutely right -- everyone has different preferences :LOL:
 
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I think for me (as someone who owns both the R1 and the R5II) I prefer the R1 ergonomics and quality of life features (better EVF, matched card slots, bigger battery, etc...) but appreciate the higher resolution of the R5II and don't need the 40 fps that the R1 can give me with what I shoot.

And you are absolutely right -- everyone has different preferences :LOL:
Personally, I don’t need more MP and I far prefer the ergonomics of an integrated grip with the heavy lenses I tend to use.
 
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