Richard's Thoughts on 2025

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Even though Craig laid down the gauntlet for predictions on 2025, I think he cheated. Now I know why this last month, when chatting with him and asking him what would happen in 2025, he just shrugged and said, "I dunno."


It was all part of his evil plan.

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Richard’s Thoughts on 2025

Even though Craig laid down the gauntlet for predictions on 2025, I think he cheated. Now I know why this last month, when chatting with him and asking him what would happen in 2025…
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Richard CR said:
... I think he cheated. ... It was all part of his evil plan. ...
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Maybe you're right ;)

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... I could see Canon also doing some APS-C lenses based on Canon's EOS-M designs already done. Removing most of the costs associated with the design and fabrication of these lenses would keep the prices reasonable. I would love to see the 15-45mm and 32mm come out of the RF-S lineup. ...
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I really hope you're right with this.
Not having an R APS-C body yet, I could see myself getting one for travel in future.
And turning good/small EF-M lens designs into RF-S seem to me a no-brainer, as R&D costs would be low and they'd already proven their IQ.
And an RF-S 15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM would be a much better lens than that "meh!" 18-45 with almost the same dimensions.
 
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dennishensphoto said:
I'm still hoping for an R9 :) Small FF body without the viewfinder bump, no potential news on this?
This would be an ideal travel setup with the rf 28, 50, etc
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Honestly..have you tried an R8...it's already tiny and loosing the tiny EVF won't make it much smaller, although it might improve the battery life a bit.
 
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I think the opposite. I would think that leaning more into high-end, professional products is a good bet for 2025. Unless I am mistaken, the US currently imposes no tariffs on digital ILCs. If successful, an increased 10-20% tariff on all imports will raise the price at checkout. But my bet is that professionals and businesses are less likely to be turned off by rising costs compared to hobbyists. Honestly, if Canon has plans for a flagship cinema camera—something in the $20K range—I think 2025 is a good year for that. People in the high-end market simply have more reasons and methods to justify paying inflated prices. With the advent of the sensor inside the C80 and C400, there are a lot of eyes on Cinema EOS right now. Seems the flagship should be in the near horizon
 
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Don't know about the global economy, but inflation has changed our spending. It's not just that some of the things we had wanted to buy went up, but everything has gone up so dramatically that we have to be very careful about all expenditures. For example, we ditched after-school care for our kids because we couldn't justify $6k per schoolyear for 90 minutes x 5 days a week. Happy to have that "extra" money back in our pockets, we saw expenses such as insurance, food, utilities, property taxes, extracurricular activity fees skyrocket to the point where, yep, all the $6k in savings just disappeared. Just like that.

The old siren call of G.A.S. has been drowned out by middle-class realities. I think this is happening to more and more consumers.
 
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YuengLinger said:
Don't know about the global economy, but inflation has changed our spending. It's not just that some of the things we had wanted to buy went up, but everything has gone up so dramatically that we have to be very careful about all expenditures. For example, we ditched after-school care for our kids because we couldn't justify $6k per schoolyear for 90 minutes x 5 days a week. Happy to have that "extra" money back in our pockets, we saw expenses such as insurance, food, utilities, property taxes, extracurricular activity fees skyrocket to the point where, yep, all the $6k in savings just disappeared. Just like that.

The old siren call of G.A.S. has been drowned out by middle-class realities. I think this is happening to more and more consumers.
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The issues are certainly real. It remains to be seen whether or not this affects Canon's unit sales and bottom line. For 2024, Canon is projecting a 1% growth in camera unit sales and a 3.7% increase in associated revenue.
 
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YuengLinger said:
Don't know about the global economy, but inflation has changed our spending. It's not just that some of the things we had wanted to buy went up, but everything has gone up so dramatically that we have to be very careful about all expenditures. For example, we ditched after-school care for our kids because we couldn't justify $6k per schoolyear for 90 minutes x 5 days a week. Happy to have that "extra" money back in our pockets, we saw expenses such as insurance, food, utilities, property taxes, extracurricular activity fees skyrocket to the point where, yep, all the $6k in savings just disappeared. Just like that.

The old siren call of G.A.S. has been drowned out by middle-class realities. I think this is happening to more and more consumers.
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Perhaps counterintuitively I suspect this factor will harm the sales of the cheaper products more than the high end. I suspect most people who were spending $2.5k+ on bodies and lenses are less sensitive to inflation than the folks who are trying to keep their whole kit under $1k.
 
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SvO2 said:
Perhaps counterintuitively I suspect this factor will harm the sales of the cheaper products more than the high end. I suspect most people who were spending $2.5k+ on bodies and lenses are less sensitive to inflation than the folks who are trying to keep their whole kit under $1k.
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Yeah I think so too. If someone is already thinking of buying a $4k+ R5II and/or a $3k 70-200Z, a $250-500 increase in price is not going to sway them too much.

A $400 R100 becoming $450 might be a bigger deal.
 
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SvO2 said:
Perhaps counterintuitively I suspect this factor will harm the sales of the cheaper products more than the high end. I suspect most people who were spending $2.5k+ on bodies and lenses are less sensitive to inflation than the folks who are trying to keep their whole kit under $1k.
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I think the problem is wider and deeper. I believe the people who could comfortably buy an R5 several years ago are now feeling very squeezed and looking to hold on to less gear for longer. Of course this is a projection on my part, but it is also true for many friends And associates and family.
 
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YuengLinger said:
I think the problem is wider and deeper. I believe the people who could comfortably buy an R5 several years ago are now feeling very squeezed and looking to hold on to less gear for longer. Of course this is a projection on my part, but it is also true for many friends And associates and family.
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Does make me curious about the average income in this hobby in general, as well as the various price segments.
 
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SvO2 said:
Does make me curious about the average income in this hobby in general, as well as the various price segments.
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Canon used to collect demographic data with product registrations. The old warranty cards had a side devoted to it, and the online registration had a survey. Both asked what other gear you own, what you were planning to buy, and things like age and income. IIRC, the top choice for income was >$175,000. It seems they no longer collect those data, registration is all online and they only ask serial number and where purchased.

Not a direct answer, but there was a recent blog post reporting on a 2024 survey of 500 professional photographers (the majority were wedding photographers), and this was one question:

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neuroanatomist said:
Canon used to collect demographic data with product registrations. The old warranty cards had a side devoted to it, and the online registration had a survey. Both asked what other gear you own, what you were planning to buy, and things like age and income. IIRC, the top choice for income was >$175,000. It seems they no longer collect those data, registration is all online and they only ask serial number and where purchased.

Not a direct answer, but there was a recent blog post reporting on a 2024 survey of 500 professional photographers (the majority were wedding photographers), and this was one question:

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A very informative post from a professional perspective. Thank you for sharing.
 
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I may be in a different class, here (my wife seems to think so--not sure what she means by that), but I\'ve been waiting a long time for a new G7 (still using the Mk II), though perhaps with a few more pixels and longer glass (like the Sony RX-100 VII\'s 24-200), but which I could slip into a shirt pocket. There are so many times I see a great photo, but don\'t have my R5m2 to hand, so it\'s nice having a tiny thing in the pocket.
 
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