AlanF said:

It's a choice between the R1 and the R5ii for the very, very best. I am a passionate birder, both for perched birds and in flight. I've gone for the R5ii because the smaller form and the higher Mpx are what I want. Others will argue for the R1. If I was shooting penguins at -40, I would take the R1. But for the rest of the time, it would be the R5ii. (I also use an R7 + RF 100-400 for lightness and am very happy with it, but if money is no object, the R5ii is a class act).

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Thank you Alan for the answer.

To be honest, i am very thinking about R5II as well, because it is latest now from Canon beside R1 and cheaper, to me i feel it has what i need without going very expensive but still pricey, it is kind of a camera that i can hold for really long time like i did with previous cameras for long time a decade or so, while R6II is old and R3 is old and R1/Z9/A9 all are so expensive i might not need that much to spend anyway, i might wait R6III or R7II as backups second camera after i decide on first one, but before i go with R5II i asked to see people opinions and suggestions first.

AlanF said:

At high iso, DR for most of the good cameras is limited just by the noise caused by statistical fluctuations in the number of photons hitting the sensor. - and the camera circuitry isn't causing loss of DR.

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Read noise is always there in modern sensors, they haven't managed to get rid of it yet, and probably never will.

tareqphoto said:

Sounds the latest cameras are more voted here, and i wanted to go with latest one rather than going with old one but still a gold, because as human nature we like to change gear whenever we can, i held on my old DSLRs for over a decade without changing/upgrading, but that time i bought the ones which were top of the line or latest, so i was thinking to do the same now, sounds R5II is overall good choice although a bit pricey, but it is still less pricey than R1 and i think it is also less than R3.

I was thinking about something like R5II and R6III if this one will be out, or R7II, R1 is like too much, and R3 is outdated, it is merely for sports more which is another question or situation i want to ask about, but i am thinking about having only two bodies that will serve me for sports and birding, anything else i am just using Sony [Landscape, portraits, still life, macro, cityscape,....etc.].

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The R3 and also the R6 & R6 Mark II are used for bird photography and wildlife photography. So, 24 megapixels is definitely an option. I had an R6. I used it for bird photography. I sold the camera because I wanted to make a good upgrade for the coming years. I can now buy the R5 Mark II or save up for the R1. The R6 Mark III is an option but I first want to see what is left out in that camera that is in the R5 Mark II or R1. Some features are decisive for me. In the meantime I use my R8 and it also works for bird photography and wildlife.

john1970 said:

As previously mentioned, the first question I would ask is what is your budget?

Other points to consider:

1) Would you consider a APS-C size sensor rather than FF sensor?
2) Do you like to crop your photos a lot? Many bird photographers do.
3) What lenses do you plan to use with the camera? Do you already own lenses or plan to buy new?
4) What is the largest print size you produce?

If you are starting out new in bird photography you might also want to consider Nikon a viable option. The Nikon 600 mm f6.3 PF and 800 mm f6.3 PF lenses are excellent though do get pricey. The Nikon Z8 is popular among bird photographer that use Nikon products.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

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Thank you John for your answers.

1. Budget i don't know, not decided, it is open and limited at the same time, means i can go up to $4000-8000 but not up to $12k-20k, if i am very rush then $2000-3000 is what i can afford very soon, so i will take time and save to afford.
2. I don't mind APS-C as long it will deliver quality.
3. In sports i crop a lot, so i assume in birding i will crop even more, so cropping is a big option in my choice.
4. I do have old lenses that i can still use with adapter, but along the time and journey i might replace them one by one, and keep others that doesn't need to be changed, also depends on how often i will image.
5. No prints in my plan yet, mostly for birds it is maybe A4 maximum or A3 if i like, most galleries if i submit ask up to A3 too, magazines A4 or less according to press/media Corportation requesting my photos.

I am new to bird photography because i didn't do it since very long time, but i am an old photographer in sports and landscape and else, and for that i could use my skills for birding and learn new things, i am a Canon use, and added only one Sony mirrorless, that is decades ago, i started photography in 2006 i believe and kept buying until 2014 which i bought my last camera back then which is Sony A7R, then i stopped, now i want to be back, i want to go with Sony or Nikon fast cameras, but i already have Canon lenses, Sony is my resolution slow camera for landscapes and portraits or still photography, while i depends completely on Canon for action and moving subjects, so sports and birding i will stay with Canon or moving to Nikon if necessary and buy only 1-2 lenses, so i am still asking around about that.

candyman said:

The best camera is personal preference. There are people who prefer the 45 megapixel r5 or r5 MKII because they can crop if the subject is too far away. These cameras have excellent AF. The R6, the R6 Mark II and of course the R3 and the R1 also have excellent AF.

The R1 and R5 Mark II have the pre-capture function that works better than in the R3 (and I believe also the R6 Mark II)

So, budget then plays a role. What are you willing to spend?

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Sounds the latest cameras are more voted here, and i wanted to go with latest one rather than going with old one but still a gold, because as human nature we like to change gear whenever we can, i held on my old DSLRs for over a decade without changing/upgrading, but that time i bought the ones which were top of the line or latest, so i was thinking to do the same now, sounds R5II is overall good choice although a bit pricey, but it is still less pricey than R1 and i think it is also less than R3.

I was thinking about something like R5II and R6III if this one will be out, or R7II, R1 is like too much, and R3 is outdated, it is merely for sports more which is another question or situation i want to ask about, but i am thinking about having only two bodies that will serve me for sports and birding, anything else i am just using Sony [Landscape, portraits, still life, macro, cityscape,....etc.].

Tom W said:

I\'m rather surprised that there hasn\'t been a jump in DR with the newest technology. Then again, there are physical limits as to how much DR can actually exist, I suppose.

I was hoping for that magic \"one stop\" improvement that would translate to the next APS-C body.

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At high iso, DR for most of the good cameras is limited just by the noise caused by statistical fluctuations in the number of photons hitting the sensor. - and the camera circuitry isn't causing loss of DR. The plots of (logs of) DR vs iso are thus a straight line at higher isos, and this line would continue to down to iso 50 or 100 if the camera circuitry didn't start limiting it. Some bodies are getting pretty close to it.

Ryrock77 said:

.....I think the R1 will overheat like the R5II and R3 does.

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I have never had my R3 overheat; I did not know that was even a thing.

john1970 said:

As previously mentioned, the first question I would ask is what is your budget?

Other points to consider:

1) Would you consider a APS-C size sensor rather than FF sensor?
2) Do you like to crop your photos a lot? Many bird photographers do.
3) What lenses do you plan to use with the camera? Do you already own lenses or plan to buy new?
4) What is the largest print size you produce?

If you are starting out new in bird photography you might also want to consider Nikon a viable option. The Nikon 600 mm f6.3 PF and 800 mm f6.3 PF lenses are excellent though do get pricey. The Nikon Z8 is popular among bird photographer that use Nikon products.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

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The Canon AF of the R5 is superior to Nikon's for locating the eyes of birds, and the R5ii is even better, plus even better tracking and very nice pre-capture. If you want to use primes that are lighter and cheaper than big whites, then that is Nikon's only real advantage. I prefer zooms, and the RF 100-500 and RF 200-800mm fulfil my needs nicely. I used to shoot with a Nikon D850 and PF 500/5.6, and found them superb, but then found the RF 100-500mm on the R5 nearly if not as equally as sharp and much more versatile.

It's a choice between the R1 and the R5ii for the very, very best. I am a passionate birder, both for perched birds and in flight. I've gone for the R5ii because the smaller form and the higher Mpx are what I want. Others will argue for the R1. If I was shooting penguins at -40, I would take the R1. But for the rest of the time, it would be the R5ii. (I also use an R7 + RF 100-400 for lightness and am very happy with it, but if money is no object, the R5ii is a class act).

As previously mentioned, the first question I would ask is what is your budget?

Other points to consider:

1) Would you consider a APS-C size sensor rather than FF sensor?
2) Do you like to crop your photos a lot? Many bird photographers do.
3) What lenses do you plan to use with the camera? Do you already own lenses or plan to buy new?
4) What is the largest print size you produce?

If you are starting out new in bird photography you might also want to consider Nikon a viable option. The Nikon 600 mm f6.3 PF and 800 mm f6.3 PF lenses are excellent though do get pricey. The Nikon Z8 is popular among bird photographer that use Nikon products.

Good luck with your decision(s)!

tareqphoto said:

Hi all,

Let me make it simple and clear straight forward question like to start over

What is the best Canon cameras for birding [and wildlife]?

I prefer it to be a brand new and mirrorless rather than DSLR which is a thing of the past now.

Thanks

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The best camera is personal preference. There are people who prefer the 45 megapixel r5 or r5 MKII because they can crop if the subject is too far away. These cameras have excellent AF. The R6, the R6 Mark II and of course the R3 and the R1 also have excellent AF.

The R1 and R5 Mark II have the pre-capture function that works better than in the R3 (and I believe also the R6 Mark II)

So, budget then plays a role. What are you willing to spend?

Richard CR said:

please show me where R3 and R1 share the same model number and get back to me, there's no "technically" about it.

like i said, which for some reason you ignored, my entire criticism which has been publically written about on this site is calling it a Mark III.

I also think that Sony could have done a better job on that sensor, but it was probably cost prohibitive to do so, they have the technology.

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I've always maintained that it doesn't really matter to me what Canon or Sony or whoever calls a camera in terms of model number or "flagship" status. I think the A9III is intended as a successor to the A9II in the same way that the R1 is intended as a successor to the R3, and as their sensors get faster, both of the successor cameras seem to pay a penalty in terms of max DR. That's fine.

In any case, I don't think the people who are actually in the market buying these $6k cameras would be unaware of their limitations.

frankchn said:

I guess technically the R1 is a new line instead of an existing line, but still at least Sony got a global shutter sensor out of it of the large DR drop.

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please show me where R3 and R1 share the same model number and get back to me, there's no "technically" about it.

like i said, which for some reason you ignored, my entire criticism which has been publically written about on this site is calling it a Mark III.

I also think that Sony could have done a better job on that sensor, but it was probably cost prohibitive to do so, they have the technology.

dirtyvu said:

I love my R5ii and I feel it\'s the most balanced bang-for-buck flagship camera that Canon offers. It\'s true that the R1 beats out the R5ii by every metric except for resolution and video options so in that sense, it is the true flagship. But most prosumers and hobbyists probably feel the R5ii is a better fit for them.

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Well you must not have used the A1 or A9III. I like Canon a lot but the R5II is not a flagship camera. I will let you find the flaws. I prefer the R3 and the R5II have been sent back to Canon.

Pre-ordered on launch, has been shipped to me today (R1, Austria)

We seem to be shortly before R1 being in stock

Richard CR said:

MAP Camera has released its sales rankings for November, and the Canon EOS R5 Mark II takes the #1 position as it should. MAP camera is a large camera store in Japan, so this is a look into the domestic market, even though we have been told that the R5 Mark II has been difficult

See full article...

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The R5II should not be the #1 ranked camera. It's an improvement over the R5 but not as goods the R3 no matter what people say. I have used them all.

It really seems like Canon is cutting corners with addressing its overheating as long as they provide overheating times in their manual. It also seems like they are releasing spec cameras that don't live up to the performance that the R5 and R3 had. My R3 seems to really perform like a professional camera compared to the R5II when you push each camera to the limit. I was expecting the R1 to solve the overheating issue that the R3 and R5II have but it looks like that's not the case.

0x2102 said:

Let me quote Canon's manual:
"...The white [Overheating warning] icon indicates that the image quality of still photos will decline. Stop shooting for a while and allow the camera to cool down."

"...The red [Overheating warning] icon indicates that shooting will soon be terminated automatically. Shooting will not be possible again until the camera cools down internally, so stop shooting temporarily or turn off the camera and let it cool down a while."

Once you see any temperature icon it starts the overheating warning. I get what you are saying but I think it's completely unacceptable for a Canon R1 to show 6/10 bars overheating warning while taking photos in a 40F - 70F environment. I have seen something similar with my R5m2 but that's not a Pro body.

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I read that also. I'm shocked by the real world results. I have issues with my R5II overheating and was thinking about moving up to the R1.

koenkooi said:

Where does it show that it's overheating? The overheating icon for stills (see https://cam.start.canon/en/C018/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-1_0540.html) isn't showing yellow or red yet. Canon also claims the bar you're seeing is only available in movie mode, but that's wrong You can see the manual for that here: https://cam.start.canon/en/C018/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-2_0280.html

Basically: only start worrying when it's red and only one bar is unlit. When it actually overheats, you'll get a bunch of warnings and the camera will shutdown, it won't be subtle about it.

Having said all that, I can't say if the amount of bars you are seeing is considered normal or not for an R1 on a (fake) beach. Are you using pre-continuous shooting a lot? That heats up my R5II a lot!

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The R5II overheats in video mode and now the R1 for photo. The overheat icon meter shouldn't even show up. My R5 does not over heat or show the overheat warning since that firmware update. This is not acceptable.

EOS 4 Life said:

I disagree.
I predict that we will see a wave of Canon bashing.
People can't stop complaining about the R5 II.

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The R5II is a good upgrade over the R5 but maybe not for the money based on the R3 and A1 price drops. It almost seems like Sony built the A1 with so much tech that the other companies cannot beat it. This also includes the R3. With the R1 and R5II Canon seems to have had to make sacrifices that the previous models did not have in photo and video. I wish Canon would fix the overheating issues because I think the R1 will overheat like the R5II and R3 does.

DhlcadR6 said:

Tbh Nikon and Sony always have advantages on sensors\' paper spec, but real life results differs

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Not really. The R5II and now R1 seem to have improvements and caught up to Sony and Nikon but the A1 still seems like the best.

My only mushrooms for now: that f.... (sorry!) rain season is still not here with full power (actually any power - pretty dry and hot!!!).
First one is kind of Leucoagaricus (if someone try to ID this to species level without RNA/DNA analysis - against a type material if some exist (!) I would be very skeptical.
After that an Agrocybe sp.

I shot the 5D3 during the DRone Wars.

Many pictures are still hung on my walls as trophies.

Maximilian said:

It almost looks like a chanterelle.
Nice snow topping.

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That should be Lactarius (Milkcap or in your language Milchling, Milchkappe) - don't ask me which one ! Oh! I got it: "Milkcap topped with snow"!

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The underside of crimped gill or crispling (Plicaturopsis crispa or Plicatura crispa) on a branch which broke off from a tree and landed on the ground. I put the branch on my mini tripods that I use for my Lumecubes to get separation from the ground and arranged some brown colored leaves as background.

I only noticed that I had photographed the underside of the crimped gill when I looked up the species at home.
This is a stack of 40 photos (with Helicon focus). R5 Mk II with EF 180mm f3.5 L macro, with polarizer to remove the glare from the rainwater.

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I have no idea (or I'm getting very old/useless)! I'm originally from Europe but at least for now I can't recall anything like this... Sorry!