What’s coming this year for Cinema EOS? [CR2]

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The C200 is around the price of the R5 C.
Canon dropped the price a long time ago.
The C200B was even cheaper but I do not see it for sale any more.
A C200 II would be priced in between the C70 and C300 III and would be very much welcome.
The form factor of the R5 C and C70 is not appropriate for every scenario.
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The C200 is 7 years old... she's dead. If there is something outside of the C70 form-factor, I think it'll be something more modular, which is what will likely happen with the upper tiers of the CEOS lineup.
 
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This article certainly hit home for me. I did purchase the R5 C primarily for still photography, but I wanted the ability to explore video. Today, I'd gladly purchase an R5, but didn't years ago for obvious reasons. Things changed with it thanks to several good firmware updates, but I still like that the chances of my camera reaching any type of thermal limit is pretty non-existent as long as I have power, and I do in a solution that fits in a shirt pocket.

The MFS has also remained under utilized. I agree the lack of Wi-Fi support in Cinema mode was and continues to be a bummer. No one ever expected to the ability to transfer video, but the lack of basic camera control was a huge miss on Canon's part. Not to mention the level of support you don't get when using the body with a gimbal. Even connected via USB-C all you can do is start / stop.

Still however, this camera excels in so many areas. No camera is ever perfect. Its absolutely time for a Cinema Series refresh given the C70 is the only dedicated RF mount video camera. I know good things are coming. I'm not likely to upgrade. I like my camera too much and am not video centric enough to warrant a change.
 
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This article certainly hit home for me. I did purchase the R5 C primarily for still photography, but I wanted the ability to explore video. Today, I'd gladly purchase an R5, but didn't years ago for obvious reasons. Things changed with it thanks to several good firmware updates, but I still like that the chances of my camera reaching any type of thermal limit is pretty non-existent as long as I have power, and I do in a solution that fits in a shirt pocket.

The MFS has also remained under utilized. I agree the lack of Wi-Fi support in Cinema mode was and continues to be a bummer. No one ever expected to the ability to transfer video, but the lack of basic camera control was a huge miss on Canon's part. Not to mention the level of support you don't get when using the body with a gimbal. Even connected via USB-C all you can do is start / stop.

Still however, this camera excels in so many areas. No camera is ever perfect. Its absolutely time for a Cinema Series refresh given the C70 is the only dedicated RF mount video camera. I know good things are coming. I'm not likely to upgrade. I like my camera too much and am not video centric enough to warrant a change.
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There were probably some inefficiencies in the R5 C firmware, with the two different teams handling stills and video.

I am going to patiently wait for the used C70s. It's hard to write about Cinema cameras when you've never spent serious time with one.
 
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Ironically my beloved good old C200 does have the ability to be controlled via Wifi, assumingly so do the C300 and C500 but I‘m not sure about that. Too bad it will not get a successor. The C200 is and has been underrated from so many. It still records an image that holds up well, especially in RAW. Had a C70 as a loaner once the C200 was at Canon for repair. The C70s image is no doubt fantastic but it feels really cheap and plasticy compared to the C200. Not sure it would hold up as a workhorse as well and as long as the three digit Cinema EOS cameras do.
 
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I think there was a gentleman's agreement with Red for them to get the RF mount, and for Canon to get the Codecs. In turns Canon will not produce box cameras and such to rival Red. Now that deal is gone. Perhaps Canon will produce their own box camera like the Pyxis, and also something smaller like the FX30. At one point there were discussions of R7C, perhaps now they'll revisit it, as affordable Cine camera is good to get people a taste if Cine camera.
Off topic: Nikon will just make Red cameras with their mount to sell to their user base, who never had a choice before.
 
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I think Canon has a lot to sort out.
1. We have 4 R5C’s. They are great for video. But only because there range is SO OLD and it’s the ONLY full frame cine range camera with RF to take advantage of the new glass.

2. C70. Slow burner because People don’t love the form factor they buy it because it’s the ONLY S35 option with RF mount to take advantage of the new glass.

3. Canons research numbers will be way off as there is no true DF cine caneras.

4. Why reinvent new models with new form factors. Just make a simple range of cameras.
3 bodies and 2 sensors.

- high end full featured body
- box camera body
- mirrorless form factor body

Do each body with Full frame abd S35 sensors.
JOB DONE.
 
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I am a long time user of EF cine cameras. 2 years ago I started the transition to RF mount. I have invested over $10k in RF lenses. I assumed my next cine camera would definitely be an RF mount. How wrong I was!

Yes, I have an R5C, but I am still desperately waiting for a C500 with an RF mount. Just a bigger camera with XLR ports, knobs to control individual parameters or internal ND filters is great.

I'm so desperate to wait that I've started peeking in the direction of a Sony FX6 or FX9...
 
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The Canon R5C is the best camera I have bought to date. Period.

It takes great photos and great videos—perfect for my kind of jobs. Its 'Netflix Approved' status has landed quite a few jobs my way, and it's a beast on gimbals.

Canon should definitely continue the line with the R5C Mark II.

My top wish list for the Mark II version would be:

  1. Built-in ND filters (like the Blackmagic 6K Pro).
  2. Better audio preamps with 2 mini XLR ports, as well as a 3.5mm audio input port (just like the Blackmagic 6K).
  3. Full-size HDMI.
  4. Better battery backup (without making the camera too bulky).
I had rented both the C70 and R5C before making a purchase decision, and the R5C having a built-in EVF was the deciding factor. Besides helping with composition, the EVF adds a third point of contact to get stable handheld shots. It is perfect for the majority of my hybrid jobs—run-and-gun style documentaries outdoors with a minimal but powerful small setup. The EVF has been such a pleasure for composing and nailing exposure under the bright sun. Once you get used to it, you simply cannot go back!

Perfect form factor, design, ergonomics, and feature set. In my humble opinion, Canon has nailed it with the R5C.

So, yes, waiting for the R5C Mark II. Count me in :)
 

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