Is a Canon RF 200-500mm f/5.6L IS USM a possibility?

Yes, the EF 100-400 L II is an excellent lens. I kept that and added the RF 200-800 as well as the RF 100-400 (for portability). Have not sprung for the RF 100-500 and at this point see no reason to. Love the 200-800 as it is perfect for handheld hummingbird work.
I never hesitate to use the 100-400 L II, instead of the corresponding prime. Canon's telezooms are as good as most primes. Canon's 70-200 are in the same category, superb, optically and mechanically.
Exceptions of course are the RF 85 f/1,2 or the RF 135mm f/1,8, even better than the zooms.
PS: Checking my emails several times a day to see if the RF 100-500 is coming...
 
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No way, RF 100-500 is an extensive zoom (horrible for beach scenes like surfing) and not 5.6.

I'm keeping EF 400mm 5.6L yet.
I'm not sure if your preference for the 5.6 was on speed, DOF, or weight as compared to the 100-500. If in term of speed, the newer camera handling of noise on higher ISO was decent, all you need is just bumped the ISO setting to compensate for the 2/3-stop lost of speed.

If it is for DOF, that 2/3 stop of depth is not going to make you feel much different unless you took 2 photos at different F-stop and compare both side-by-side.

If it is because of the weight, surely the EF400 5.6 does beat the hell out off 100-500. But not forgetting the 400/5.6 doesn't come with IS. If it does, it probably going to add another 4 or 500 gms to the lens and it would be almost comparable to the 100-500 w/o the tripod collar.

I do have the 100-500, but I have not used it after Canon release the 200-800 several months after I purchase the 100-500. My preferred lens to go into the wilderness now is with the 200-800, even my 400/2.8 also have to take a back seat.

This is a shot took just after sunrise inside the forest at ISO 25600 with my R7, the exif is uploaded along to with the pic at FB; https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15VwWxUXqc/

I only used the default denoise in PS camera RAW at only 45, and slight processing.
 
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I'm not sure if your preference for the 5.6 was on speed, DOF, or weight as compared to the 100-500. If in term of speed, the newer camera handling of noise on higher ISO was decent, all you need is just bumped the ISO setting to compensate for the 2/3-stop lost of speed.

If it is for DOF, that 2/3 stop of depth is not going to make you feel much different unless you took 2 photos at different F-stop and compare both side-by-side.

If it is because of the weight, surely the EF400 5.6 does beat the hell out off 100-500. But not forgetting the 400/5.6 doesn't come with IS. If it does, it probably going to add another 4 or 500 gms to the lens and it would be almost comparable to the 100-500 w/o the tripod collar.

I do have the 100-500, but I have not used it after Canon release the 200-800 several months after I purchase the 100-500. My preferred lens to go into the wilderness now is with the 200-800, even my 400/2.8 also have to take a back seat.

This is a shot took just after sunrise inside the forest at ISO 25600 with my R7, the exif is uploaded along to with the pic at FB; https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15VwWxUXqc/

I only used the default denoise in PS camera RAW at only 45, and slight processing.
The 400/5.6 + EF-R adapter weigh 1460g compared with the RF 100-500mm + hood+tripod foot at 1610g, which is not exactly beating the hell out of it at 150g or 5.3oz less on that weight. The RF 100-400mm weighs in at 690g including IS, which does make a real weight saving.

Whether to to take the 200-800 or 100-500 on a nature trek depends on what you are after and personal choice. If it's for small birds or more more distance I take my 200-800, if it's for both birds and insects, I take the 100-500. And for fast BIF, the 100-500. For ease of travel when there are packing constraints, the 100-500 with the RF 2xTC. But, I am generally more than happy with either - spoiled for choice.
 
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This could be an interesting lens. in terms of range, a competitor to Nikon's 200-500, but also a competitor to the Sigma and Tamron 150-600 offerings. It would undoubtedly be of similar size to them.

I have the 100-500 and while I like the range, the f/7.1 can be less than ideal with a crop body. And I do use mine mostly with the R7. An extra 2/3 of a stop of aperture is that much more shutter speed, or lower ISO so in darker situations, cleaner results can occur. Not a total game-stopper but every little bit helps.

That said - I wonder if Canon might not consider making both. Obviously, the F4 would be much larger, heavier, and more expensive, but there may be room in the lineup to have both options on the market. The F4 would be very nice to have, but the price might be a bit of an issue.
 
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The 400/5.6 + EF-R adapter weigh 1460g compared with the RF 100-500mm + hood+tripod foot at 1610g, which is not exactly beating the hell out of it at 150g or 5.3oz less on that weight. The RF 100-400mm weighs in at 690g including IS, which does make a real weight saving.

Whether to to take the 200-800 or 100-500 on a nature trek depends on what you are after and personal choice. If it's for small birds or more more distance I take my 200-800, if it's for both birds and insects, I take the 100-500. And for fast BIF, the 100-500. For ease of travel when there are packing constraints, the 100-500 with the RF 2xTC. But, I am generally more than happy with either - spoiled for choice.
One of the things I loved about the 400 f/5.6 was its simplicity. 7 lens elements, that's all.

Now I know, the telescope people would scoff and say that "mine's only a doublet or triplet" but there's a lot more correction that needs to take place on a camera lens vs. a telescope. Granted, some of those triplets are spectacularly well made (see Astro-Physics or Takahashi for example) and some of the high-glass doublets are also very nice (my Astrotech 102 EDL is a good example).

I think it'd be nice if Canon revisited the lower-cost/high quality 300, 400, even 500 mm fixed focal length optics like the 300/4, 400/5.6, and potentially, a 500/5.6L for the RF mount. Possibly too "nitchy" of a product, but worth looking into.
 
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One of the things I loved about the 400 f/5.6 was its simplicity. 7 lens elements, that's all.

Now I know, the telescope people would scoff and say that "mine's only a doublet or triplet" but there's a lot more correction that needs to take place on a camera lens vs. a telescope. Granted, some of those triplets are spectacularly well made (see Astro-Physics or Takahashi for example) and some of the high-glass doublets are also very nice (my Astrotech 102 EDL is a good example).

I think it'd be nice if Canon revisited the lower-cost/high quality 300, 400, even 500 mm fixed focal length optics like the 300/4, 400/5.6, and potentially, a 500/5.6L for the RF mount. Possibly too "nitchy" of a product, but worth looking into.
Canon hasn't refreshed the 400/5.6 for more than 25 years and the 300/4 for nearly as long, which speaks about their philosophy. Nikon has made some rather nice small light primes. I wouldn't trade the 100-500/7.1 for a 500/5.6L. I used the the 100-500mm zoom on the R5 and the 500/5.6 on the Nikon D850. The zoom was so much more versatile and so close in sharpness to the prime, it was no contest as far I am concerned but YMMV.
 
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A > $10k (US) 200-500 f4 I'd probably rent on occasion.
A ≤ $5k (US) 200-500 f5.6 I'd be very tempted to buy if:
  1. It has an internally-zooming design
  2. The aperture is constant throughout the zoom range
  3. It is fully compatible with the 1.4× and 2× teleconverters
  4. It can properly resolve 45mp with at least the 1.4× teleconverter
(And if it was 5lbs or less, that would be fantastic. But I'm already getting greedy with this wishlist )
 
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A 3.5kg 200-800mm the ultimate bird in flight lens? OK for an Olympic weightlifter with lightning reflexes but I couldn't hand hold it to move it rapidly for fast erratic BIF at 800mm (or less).
Well I never said it was the ultimate for birds in flight and my RF 200-800mm f/6.3-9 is great for that (I have no trouble tracking birds with it if they're flying straight) as I very rarely try to shoot BIF in the dark of the rainforest so a very bright aperture isn't needed.
Perhaps I should clarify: ultimate birding lens for perched birds in the dark of the rain forest :cool:
 
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Would a constant 5.6 really be preferable to a 4.5-5.6?
It depends:
  • My comment on desiring an "aperture (which) is constant throughout the zoom range" was specifically-motivated by the desire to not have exposure changes when zooming.
  • If the lens has a variable maximum aperture, that is a problem for exposure change in 1 of 2 cases:
    • 1. If the lens' aperture ramps no matter whether you are stopped down or wide open, then that is a problem.
      • E.g. With the 4.5-5.6 you cite, if you set the lens to 5.6 on the wide end of the zoom, when zooming in, it would ramp down to something like 6.3
    • 2. If the lens' aperture only ramps when wide open, but not once it is set at the lowest maximum aperture of the zoom range.
      • E.g. With the 4.5-5.6 you cite, if you wet the lens to 5.6 on the wide end of the zoom, when zooming in, there would be no ramp (it would stay 5.6 throughout the whole zoom)
  • So I suppose a better way to articulate my desire isn't to say that I want a lens with a constant maximum aperture, but rather: "to be able to use the lens in a mode where the aperture doesn't change/exposure doesn't change while zooming"
 
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So I suppose a better way to articulate my desire isn't to say that I want a lens with a constant maximum aperture, but rather: "to be able to use the lens in a mode where the aperture doesn't change/exposure doesn't change while zooming"
Have you tried the C.Fn to maintain “Same expo. for new aperture”? Might not be what you want, since it adjusts shutter speed or ISO to compensate.
 
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Have you tried the C.Fn to maintain “Same expo. for new aperture”? Might not be what you want, since it adjusts shutter speed or ISO to compensate.
Ahh interesting – I never knew of this feature – a bit different than was describing, but definitely useful in other circumstances – thanks for the tip!

This seems to be how all of my canon cameras behave
On the camera side, yes that makes sense. The lens that comes to mind as a (slight) problem in this regard is the Zeiss 21-100 T2.9-3.9 ... admittedly a manual lens ... not sure if there are any electronically-controlled aperture lenses which have this characteristic.
 
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I'm not sure if your preference for the 5.6 was on speed, DOF, or weight as compared to the 100-500. If in term of speed, the newer camera handling of noise on higher ISO was decent, all you need is just bumped the ISO setting to compensate for the 2/3-stop lost of speed.

If it is for DOF, that 2/3 stop of depth is not going to make you feel much different unless you took 2 photos at different F-stop and compare both side-by-side.

If it is because of the weight, surely the EF400 5.6 does beat the hell out off 100-500. But not forgetting the 400/5.6 doesn't come with IS. If it does, it probably going to add another 4 or 500 gms to the lens and it would be almost comparable to the 100-500 w/o the tripod collar.

I do have the 100-500, but I have not used it after Canon release the 200-800 several months after I purchase the 100-500. My preferred lens to go into the wilderness now is with the 200-800, even my 400/2.8 also have to take a back seat.

This is a shot took just after sunrise inside the forest at ISO 25600 with my R7, the exif is uploaded along to with the pic at FB; https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15VwWxUXqc/

I only used the default denoise in PS camera RAW at only 45, and slight processing.
My problem is mainly not be an internal zoom.
 
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If it's truly F/5.6 instead of F/4, there's a decent chance it would be in < $5k range.
Given that 500mm f/5.6 needs front element diameter (ignoring that rounding that always happens) of only 0.3mm larger than 800mm f/9 (i.e. the current RF 200-800), it could come in at around $3.5K or less for an L lens, or around the price of the 200-800 if a non-L. But I still don't see the point in such a lens, given the existence of the 100-500L and the 200-800.
 
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Given that 500mm f/5.6 needs front element diameter (ignoring that rounding that always happens) of only 0.3mm larger than 800mm f/9 (i.e. the current RF 200-800), it could come in at around $3.5K or less for an L lens, or around the price of the 200-800 if a non-L. But I still don't see the point in such a lens, given the existence of the 100-500L and the 200-800.
I agree, there would be no point in a 200-500 f5.6 given the existing 100-500 L. Unless, of course, Canon reads all these forum threads where so many people are under the illusion that 2/3rds of a stop faster makes any sort of meaningful difference.
 
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I agree, there would be no point in a 200-500 f5.6 given the existing 100-500 L. Unless, of course, Canon reads all these forum threads where so many people are under the illusion that 2/3rds of a stop faster makes any sort of meaningful difference.
To each their own.

I would sell my 100-500 f4.5 to f7.1 and buy a 200-500 f5.6 if, and only if, it had a built in 1.4x tele converter.

Paired with a second body with a 70-200 f4, this would give me about 10-15 more useable light around sunrise and sunset on safari.

It would also give me 700mm at f8 during the brightest, but still useable, part of the day.

A200-500 f4 would be amazing for some or many. It would not meet my size and portability requirements as a travel lens and it would massively violate my personal skill to price ratio.

As I said, to each their own. I am an enthusiastic amateur. My desires are completely different to those of an accomplished professional.

There in no reason why Canon cannot keep the professionals and enthusiastic amateurs happy at the same time.
 
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Canon reads all these forum threads where so many people are under the illusion that 2/3rds of a stop faster makes any sort of meaningful difference.
They wouldn’t use the forum threads specifically, but if they feel they’re losing a segment of their market share due to a perception of the competition offering a better product, they’ll probably react (much as they did with the 70-200 2.8 Z)

And really 2/3 stop isn’t significant until it is. Most would probably find the difference between iso 12800 and iso 20000 to be significant, and that’s the same 2/3 stops.
 
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