Canon EOS R5 Mark II Assumes it’s Rightful Ranking at Map Camera

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Nov was the R1's month of release, so all the pre-sales would have been recognised? - so presumably this will be it's only entry into the list. :)

Interesting that the first Sony is only 6th on the list, behind Fujifilms and a Ricoh.
 
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[Broken Record]

I remain flabbergasted that Canon ceded the small APS (ILC and otherwise) market to their competitors.

In part, here is why.

The published list of best-selling cameras here includes both of Canon's much-ballyhooed recent full frame releases.

It is my opinion that had Canon released both M6Mk4 (!) and say, M201 cameras recently, that one or both of them would have appeared on that list...and NOT displaced either of the full frame recent releases from their position on said list.

End of rant.
 
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I am Canon shooter for decades, but love to see that so many cameras in the list are not made by the top two makes, was it CaNikon in the past, or CaSony now. The more alternative makes take the top 10 the better for us consumers.
 
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josephandrews222 said:
[Broken Record]

I remain flabbergasted that Canon ceded the small APS (ILC and otherwise) market to their competitors.

In part, here is why.

The published list of best-selling cameras here includes both of Canon's much-ballyhooed recent full frame releases.

It is my opinion that had Canon released both M6Mk4 (!) and say, M201 cameras recently, that one or both of them would have appeared on that list...and NOT displaced either of the full frame recent releases from their position on said list.

End of rant.
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Yes, too bad Canon can't sell those APS-C cameras...

BCNranking published the top 50 of the best selling cameras on the Japanese market for the month of November:
  1. Canon R10 with 18-150mm lens (last month 2nd place)
  2. Canon R50 double lens kit (last month 1st place)
  3. White Canon R50 double lens kit (3th place)
  4. Nikon Z30 double lens kit (7th place)
  5. Sony ZV-E10II double lens kit (4th place)
  6. Sony ZV-E10 with powerzoom kit lens (10th place)
  7. Nikon Z50 double lens kit (12th place)
  8. Sony ZV-E10 with double kit kit lens (6th place)
  9. Sony A6400 double lens kit (5th place)
  10. Silver Fujifilm X-M5 with kit lens (new entry)
 
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Yes, too bad Canon can't sell those APS-C cameras...

BCNranking published the top 50 of the best selling cameras on the Japanese market for the month of November:
  1. Canon R10 with 18-150mm lens (last month 2nd place)
  2. Canon R50 double lens kit (last month 1st place)
  3. White Canon R50 double lens kit (3th place)
  4. Nikon Z30 double lens kit (7th place)
  5. Sony ZV-E10II double lens kit (4th place)
  6. Sony ZV-E10 with powerzoom kit lens (10th place)
  7. Nikon Z50 double lens kit (12th place)
  8. Sony ZV-E10 with double kit kit lens (6th place)
  9. Sony A6400 double lens kit (5th place)
  10. Silver Fujifilm X-M5 with kit lens (new entry)
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The R10 and R50 are a totally different form factor than an M6 Mark IV would've been. I have no interest in the APS-C RF bodies. I would've been interested in a new M6. I like the small size. However, this is all moot. Even if Canon did come out with a new EF-M body, it's doubtful there would've been any new lenses to accompany it.
 
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mpphoto said:
The R10 and R50 are a totally different form factor than an M6 Mark IV would've been. I have no interest in the APS-C RF bodies. I would've been interested in a new M6. I like the small size. However, this is all moot. Even if Canon did come out with a new EF-M body, it's doubtful there would've been any new lenses to accompany it.
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mpphoto: thanks for your post.

I, too, like the small size (and form factors) of the M family of APS-C bodies. So do my daughters.

In my original post, I wrote this:

I remain flabbergasted that Canon ceded the small APS (ILC and otherwise) market to their competitors.

...I included the word 'small' for a reason; various Ms have served as my family's primary walkaround cameras for over a decade now.

Of the thousands of image acquired with those cameras, the vast majority came with EF-M 22 and 11-22 lenses attached to them.

Especially the 22mm on something like the M200...that package (sort of) fits in even a medium-sized pocket.

And the M6MkII + 11-22 combination...(with an EF-M 18-150 in reserve); lots of image-gathering power there in a very small package. Very small.

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But you are right--there were no new EF-M lenses coming from camera.
 
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It's great to see the R5m2 do so well. While I'm very happy to have it, I do miss the cross-AF green sensors and GPS that are in the R1. Those 2 things are of so much value (well, to me) that it makes me wonder if I should have (or just should) get an R1 as well. But GAS is so easy to get into that I'm going to wait a good while longer before seriously considering it.
 
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josephandrews222 said:
mpphoto: thanks for your post.

I, too, like the small size (and form factors) of the M family of APS-C bodies. So do my daughters.

In my original post, I wrote this:

I remain flabbergasted that Canon ceded the small APS (ILC and otherwise) market to their competitors.

...I included the word 'small' for a reason; various Ms have served as my family's primary walkaround cameras for over a decade now.

Of the thousands of image acquired with those cameras, the vast majority came with EF-M 22 and 11-22 lenses attached to them.

Especially the 22mm on something like the M200...that package (sort of) fits in even a medium-sized pocket.

And the M6MkII + 11-22 combination...(with an EF-M 18-150 in reserve); lots of image-gathering power there in a very small package. Very small.

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But you are right--there were no new EF-M lenses coming from camera.
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Canon's RF APS-C line up is robust and performs better than the EF-M lineup without the compatibility issues of the EF-M line. It was a nice foray into early Mirrorless technology and the ability to use EF and EF-S glass via an adapter was likely a plus, but eventually technology evolves.

The RF system and lineup of lenses superseded the EF system and EF lineup of lenses. There's no reason to invest in a lineup that's almost fully discontinued, and without investment in EF bodies and EF glass there's no reason for continued investment by Canon in EF-M bodies and EF-M glass.
 
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Richard CR said:
MAP Camera has released its sales rankings for November, and the Canon EOS R5 Mark II takes the #1 position as it should. MAP camera is a large camera store in Japan, so this is a look into the domestic market, even though we have been told that the R5 Mark II has been difficult

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The R5II should not be the #1 ranked camera. It's an improvement over the R5 but not as goods the R3 no matter what people say. I have used them all.
 
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