Canon officially announces the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II

Sure, if that's what you do. It's not what I do at all, so everything the R6 does that the R8 does not are absolutely worth it to me. Funny how everyone's experience is different and people value different features in different cameras ;)

Someone needs to do a video where they walk up to random people with MILCs and see if any of them can produce a good photo using a film camera. I imagine it would be like those videos where random Americans are asked to name half a dozen countries in Europe and you hear things like China and Mexico.
 
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Someone needs to do a video where they walk up to random people with MILCs and see if any of them can produce a good photo using a film camera. I imagine it would be like those videos where random Americans are asked to name half a dozen countries in Europe and you hear things like China and Mexico.
Those darn kids and their MILCs! /s
 
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Is this video or stills? If it is stills, OMFG... Dust resistent, weather resistent, but sunlight resistent? No, the cameras are now snowflakes.
Stills as well, I haven’t had it shutdown yet, but I have seen all bars being filled on the thermometer. But I alternate between stills and video all the time.
On my R7 stills don’t add to the overheating, on the R8 they do. I suspect it will take a long time or high heat to have it actually shutdown doing purely stills, I’ll likely give up before the camera does :)

The R7 in the same situation, but with a white 100-500 instead of the black R8+24-105L hasn’t shown the indicator yet.
 
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I'm waiting for a review that includes using the R5-II for birding photography. Specifically, I want to know if this camera
will noticeably improve compared to my R7. For example, does anyone know if the new 'priority subject' feature will be
able to be used for birds? I haven't seen any reports where Canon has commented on this. Did I miss it?
- Jim in the PNW
 
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I'm waiting for a review that includes using the R5-II for birding photography. Specifically, I want to know if this camera
will noticeably improve compared to my R7. For example, does anyone know if the new 'priority subject' feature will be
able to be used for birds? I haven't seen any reports where Canon has commented on this. Did I miss it?
- Jim in the PNW
I should have said "actually using the R5-II for birding" ...
 
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I should have said "actually using the R5-II for birding" ...
I'm waiting for a review that includes using the R5-II for birding photography. Specifically, I want to know if this camera
will noticeably improve compared to my R7. For example, does anyone know if the new 'priority subject' feature will be
able to be used for birds? I haven't seen any reports where Canon has commented on this. Did I miss it?
- Jim in the PNW
No, you did not miss it, action priority works for three sports: football, basketball and volleyball. Canon might add further ‘subjects’ in firmware upgrades.

My understanding, from Jared Polin’s video, is that the AF has been ‘trained’ to follow the ball and ‘predicts’ where to put the focussing point.
The video: https://froknowsphoto.com/canons-new-auto-focus-is-mind-blowing-crushes-sony-nikon-r1-r5-mark-ii/

As with all of Jared’s video’s: Be sure to dial the volume down before you start watching ;).

Since the R5 Mk II sensor has a shorter read-out time I expect the AF to be (much) better than that of camera’s with ‘previous’ generations of sensors (like the R7).
 
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No, you did not miss it, action priority works for three sports: football, basketball and volleyball. Canon might add further ‘subjects’ in firmware upgrades.

My understanding, from Jared Polin’s video, is that the AF has been ‘trained’ to follow the ball and ‘predicts’ where to put the focussing point.
The video: https://froknowsphoto.com/canons-new-auto-focus-is-mind-blowing-crushes-sony-nikon-r1-r5-mark-ii/

As with all of Jared’s video’s: Be sure to dial the volume down before you start watching ;).

Since the R5 Mk II sensor has a shorter read-out time I expect the AF to be (much) better than that of camera’s with ‘previous’ generations of sensors (like the R7).
Pieter - thanks that helps. The thing about AF and birding is that birds are often in situations where there
are other things in front of (worst) and/or behind (less but still frustrating when it happens) and it 'confuses'
the AF.
I have tried to reach out to Canon to suggest a change that can be done all in software - but they seem to ignore me (no response other
than the auto response "we received your contact"). My suggestion is that the AF be changed so that if you release the half-press and
then come right back on it (timing dependent) it interprets that as "try somewhere else". As a birding photographer and very little else I
predict that it would take at -most- 3 tries and the camera would be locked onto the bird - as in try closer and then try further (or vice
versa?).
I have found that the AF in my R7 is good, even very good, for birds in flight - the times when the AF struggles is when the
bird is in a bush or in grasses. But the AF did work for a Caspian Tern that was way out and diving into the water - probably
near 100 yds!. So in some situations the AF is pure gold.
- Jim in the PNW
 
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By what measure is a R6 a mini 1DX?
I mean, if I have to type out a paragraph explaining that to you, I'm not sure this conversation is that productive. All I'm saying is that Canon's lineup is full of cameras to fit peoples needs. Most people just can't face the truth that they are more in love with collecting gear and complaining about specs than taking photos. It's like Craig always says, people buying this stuff aren't on these forums.
 
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The Need for Affordable ‘Stills First’ Landscape Photography-Based Full Frame Cameras with High Megapixels



Introduction:


The landscape photography community, alongside architecture, interior, real estate, hospitality, food, still life, astro-photography, advertising, and high-end studio portraiture photographers, has long sought a camera tailored to its specific needs—one that prioritizes high megapixel counts and superior image quality over features such as video recording, high frame rates (FPS), and advanced auto-focus systems. This text examines the necessity for such a specialized camera and highlights how current market offerings (with the recent launches of cameras like the Canon R5II and Canon R1, R3, Nikon Z8) are not tailored toward this market as they inflate costs by including unnecessary features not required for such genres of photography. Additionally, these bundled features require high processing power, which can otherwise be used to deliver superior image quality in terms of dynamic range and less noise at higher ISO.



The Unique Requirements of Specialized Photography:

Photographers in these specific genres prioritize different attributes compared to other types of photographers. Key requirements include:

  1. High Megapixel Count: Essential for capturing fine details in expansive scenes and intricate subjects, allowing for large prints and extensive cropping without loss of quality.
  2. Dynamic Range: Crucial for capturing the wide tonal range found in natural scenes, deep shadows, bright highlights, and detailed textures.
  3. Image Quality: Superior image quality, including color accuracy and minimal noise, is paramount.
  4. 16-bit Raw Photo: For better tonal gradations and shadow/highlight recovery in post-processing. Provides more flexibility in post-processing, reducing the likelihood of banding and preserving more detail when making significant adjustments to exposure, contrast, or color grading. A 14-bit image (from an FF camera like R5II) represents 2^14 = 16,384 tonal values per channel, and a 16-bit image (from medium format cameras like the Fuji GFX, Hasselblad X2) represents 2^16 = 65,536 tonal values per channel. So, a 16-bit image capture has 4 times more tonal values than a 14-bit image capture. This significantly enhances the depth of color and the smoothness of gradients, which is especially beneficial for high-quality image processing and photo printing.
  5. Specialized Lenses:
    • Ultra-lightweight lenses.
    • Fixed aperture lens with fixed f/8 or f/11 aperture.
    • Fixed aperture lens with fixed f/1.2, f/1.4, or f/2 aperture.
    • Fixed focus lens—no need to focus, lenses that are in focus from near to infinity.
    • Manual focus-only lenses.
By eliminating the need for faster apertures and auto focus (and thereby larger glass and lens group elements), the lens designer can focus on delivering zero distortions, no vignetting, and optimal lens character, resulting in the best overall image quality. A lot of manufacturing costs and complexity can be saved to deliver a superior specialized lens at affordable prices.

6. Specialized Cameras:
  • Camera specifically for night photography - with base ISO starting from 12800 and above - delivering superior image quality at higher ISO.
  • Camera specifically for infrared/black and white photography.



Current Market Offerings:

Manufacturers such as Canon, Nikon, and Sony have produced high-megapixel cameras, but not to the extent required, and these often come bundled with features that are not necessarily needed by photographers in these genres. These unnecessary features require high processing power, which could otherwise be used to enhance image quality.

  • Video Capabilities: High-end video features such as 8K Raw video are often unnecessary and overkill for landscape, food, still life, astrophotography, and studio portrait photographers. These features add significant cost to the cameras without providing benefits that these photographers require.
  • High FPS: Features like 30 frames per second (FPS) are tailored for action and wildlife photography but are irrelevant for the typically static subjects of these specialized genres. Photographers in these fields do not need such high FPS capabilities, making this feature an unnecessary cost driver.
  • Advanced Auto-focus Systems: Advanced auto-focus features such as subject tracking, subject recognition, and predictive focus are crucial for sports and wildlife photographers. However, these features are irrelevant for landscape, food, still life, astrophotography, and studio portrait photographers who often use manual focus or basic auto focus due to the static nature of their subjects.


Unnecessary Features Inflating Costs for a ‘Stills First’ Oriented Camera:

Lately, manufacturers seem to focus on selling expensive video-centric ‘one size fits all’ cameras by adding unnecessary features that inflate costs not required for many genres of photography. The newly launched Canon EOS R5 II, for example, is priced at $4,299 due to its advanced 8K Raw video and auto focus capabilities, which drive up its cost. Similarly, Sony's A7R V, with a 61 MP sensor, includes high-end video features, contributing to its price tag of around $3,899. Though there is demand for such video-centric cameras from a section of the market, this focus on high-end, video feature-packed cameras creates a significant gap in the market for an affordably priced ‘stills first’ camera that prioritizes superior image quality over unnecessary bells and whistles. An affordable, ‘stripped down version’ of these cameras (like the Canon R5II, Sony A7RV, Nikon Z8) without the video, FPS, and auto focus features and the addition of a higher megapixel sensor in the 75-100 MP range would be readily acceptable as a primary/second camera by a range of photographers.



The Gap in the Market:


Despite the availability of high-megapixel cameras, there is a noticeable gap in the market for an affordable FF camera tailored specifically to the needs of this genre of photographers. This gap highlights the need for a product that focuses solely on the attributes that matter most to these photographers:

  • Cost Efficiency: By excluding high-end video and auto focus features, manufacturers can reduce production costs and offer a more affordable high-megapixel camera. For instance, the Fujifilm GFX 50S II, a high-end medium format camera, is priced at $2,999 and comes close to the ideal landscape-oriented camera. An equivalent camera in full-frame format by Canon, Sony, or Nikon can be priced lower than this. Statistics reveal that when prices are affordable, the volume of sales is higher, benefiting manufacturers as well. It’s a win-win situation. It is also pertinent to note that the cost of the camera is just one part of the cost to photographers; they have to keep supplementing the camera with newer, better lenses, lighter and better tripods, faster computer systems and laptops, color-accurate monitors, and many other accessories. So, cost affordability by curtailing unnecessary features has to be given a top priority by the manufacturers.
  • Simplicity and Usability: A streamlined camera designed specifically for these genres would be easier to use, focusing on the essential features needed for capturing stunning images.


Conclusion:

There is a clear need for a dedicated camera that emphasizes high megapixels and superior image quality while excluding unnecessary features such as 8K Raw video, 30 FPS, and advanced auto focus systems like subject tracking, subject recognition, and predictive focus. By developing such a camera, manufacturers can meet the specific demands of landscape, food, still life, astrophotography, and high-end studio portraiture photographers, providing a cost-effective and highly specialized tool for capturing the beauty and detail of their subjects.



Recommendations:

Manufacturers:


  1. To develop a high-megapixel camera tailored for these genres, by eliminating unnecessary features.
  2. To engage with actual users and creatives widely, not just a handful of biased social media Influencers.

Consumers:

  1. To engage and advocate in forums for cameras that meet their specific needs, encouraging manufacturers to produce specialized equipment.
  2. To do due diligence and to be critical of the 'wow hype' created by Influencers / Forum Admins and 'see through vested interests'.

Industry Analysts:

  1. To conduct market research to understand the demand for specialized cameras better and influence manufacturers' decisions.

By focusing on these photographers' actual needs, manufacturers can create affordable and better-suited products, enhancing their creative possibilities and addressing a significant market gap.
 
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The Need for Affordable ‘Stills First’ Landscape Photography-Based Full Frame Cameras with High Megapixels

Interesting article. I don't know why you publish it more than once (i.e. in multiple threads)
The wish/need seems to me to be more intended for direct contact with Canon. Discussions can take place here on the forum, but it will remain a discussion.
 
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I've been known to 'state the obvious' and to 'over simplify' .... but it seems to me the real problem
with current cameras being targetted for uses other than your area of interest is, quite simply, that
the phones have taken all of that 'market' (uses you'd like such as landscapes).
Yes, I get it that you are interested in more than what a phone can provide ... but as soon as you say
that and then object to bundling features you don't need (video, fps, etc.) you limit the market.
Significantly. When was the last time you saw a large print outside of a gallery or museum?
Certainly not in the homes I visit - they want to put the images up on their large screen TV and its
hard to fault them for that.
Soooo, it seems that "great quality for landscapes" is only going to be had from cameras that
are not being built for your interest and instead have a lot of features you don't care about.
I'm a still photographer myself - but my interest is birding ... so some of the stuff made for the
sports guys helps me.
Someone I know still has both medium and large format film cameras that he uses for the kind
of images you are interested in ....
- good luck, I don't expect your voice to be 'heard'
 
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I don't know why you publish it more than once (i.e. in multiple threads)
Because s/he somehow thinks that posting the same thing several times makes it more valid. It doesn’t. A personal opinion remains that, no matter how many words and how much colored/bolded text is used, and how many times it’s copied/pasted.

Of course, it might matter how many times it’s copied/pasted if the mods decide it’s spamming and delete all of them…
 
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