Canon 2nd Quarter 2024 Financials – Making Money

In their financial documents, for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2025, Nikon forecasts that their interchangeable lens camera market share will "skyrocket" all the way up to (850/6100) 14%.
So Canon is forecasting minuscule Y/Y growth (2%), Nikon is forecasting good Y/Y growth (20%), and together they are forecasting a combined absolute gain of ~3% of the market. Wonder where that will come from…
 
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Does Canon manufacture Canon-labeled laser printers?

I think I remember reading, years ago, that many major-brand laser printers were not manufactured by the company that slapped their own label on it.
Here is Canon's original answer:

"At Canon, we see in-house production as vital to our mission to use technology to create a suite of innovative and distinguished products and services with high added value. To this end, we are actively promoting the shift to in-house production throughout the Canon Group."
Source: https://global.canon/en/mfg/q-02.html

That's why I still am fond of Canon's photo products.
 
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So Canon is forecasting minuscule Y/Y growth (2%), Nikon is forecasting good Y/Y growth (20%), and together they are forecasting a combined absolute gain of ~3% of the market. Wonder where that will come from…
That's the law of the bigger market shares: it is getting harder to grow further, the bigger you are. If those forecasts come true, the shares of Canon and Nikon will be about as follows at the end of this FY - not exactly, since I use the numbers of September, 2023, according to Petapixel (https://petapixel.com/2023/09/05/canon-has-nearly-50-of-camara-market-share-nearly-double-sony/):

Canon: (1 + 0.02)x46,5 % = 47.4 %
Nikon: (1 + 0.02)x11.7 % = 14.0 %

So, if the market shares would develop like that further in the coming years, Canon would reach 50 % in roughly about 3 years. Caution: the famous dictum "predictions are difficult, especially when they concern the future" remains valid (origin of this saying is unclear, some attribute it to George Bernard Shaw, others to Winston Churchill or further VIPs).
 
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Many of my friends are trying to get me to go over to Nikon. Some Sony people as well. But hardly anyone left shooting with Canon (comparatively in my New Jersey groups at least). The good part is, when I lead any workshops, I refer to my co-lead to help the people out with their Nikon cameras - lol.
If you shoot wildlife in rugged environments, you really shouldn't change to Nikon. I do wildlife side by side with my wife, who has an extended Nikon gear. In the past 15 years, I had exactly one repair with my original EOS 7D, the thumb wheel had to be changed. With Nikon we had so many failures: stuck mirrors, destroyed AF drives, dead camera buttons only because of a few rain drops that this couldn't be just bad luck. My wife caresses her gear much more than I do, getting out raincovers at the first few drops. If she wouldn't have a big gear from the analogue era (she still uses her FM-2 and other film cameras), she would have changed to Canon, just because she sees that my gear works and works... Once famed for high mechanical pro quality, Nikon in the digital era has really downgraded their investment in quality, in ruggedness.

So, if you just shoot in dry, relatively clean environments, a change to Nikon would be okay.
 
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The photorumors article states, “Sales and unit sales decline in the domestic market from January to June 2024 compared to the same period last year". Of course, they chose to title the article, ‘Canon Sales are Tanking’ and neglected to mention that Japan is less than 9% of the market and that Canon’s global sales tell a very different story.
I didn't find a timeline of product releases in different markets quickly, but the decline in the domestic market could be caused by the fact, that Canon first introduces their new products in Japan. A new product typically creates a sales growth peak after release, and later declines when the market is saturated for a while. So it depends on the time frame through which you look at sales numbers.
 
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That's the law of the bigger market shares: it is getting harder to grow further, the bigger you are. If those forecasts come true, the shares of Canon and Nikon will be about as follows at the end of this FY - not exactly, since I use the numbers of September, 2023, according to Petapixel (https://petapixel.com/2023/09/05/canon-has-nearly-50-of-camara-market-share-nearly-double-sony/):

Canon: (1 + 0.02)x46,5 % = 47.4 %
Nikon: (1 + 0.02)x11.7 % = 14.0 %

So, if the market shares would develop like that further in the coming years, Canon would reach 50 % in roughly about 3 years. Caution: the famous dictum "predictions are difficult, especially when they concern the future" remains valid (origin of this saying is unclear, some attribute it to George Bernard Shaw, others to Winston Churchill or further VIPs).
Three things:
  1. Canon was at 48% for 2023 (the 46.5% was for 2022, but also was total cameras while 48% is just ILCs; the 2% increase to 49% was Canon’s forecast for ILCs.
  2. Your math is wrong, Nikon is forecasting a 20% increase, (1 + 0.02)x11.7% = 11.9%, (1 + 0.2)x11.7 % = 14.0%.
  3. My main point was that if Nikon and Canon forecast a combined 3% increase in market share, other manufacturer(s) must lose market share, most likely Sony.
 
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I didn't find a timeline of product releases in different markets quickly, but the decline in the domestic market could be caused by the fact, that Canon first introduces their new products in Japan. A new product typically creates a sales growth peak after release, and later declines when the market is saturated for a while. So it depends on the time frame through which you look at sales numbers.
According to a post on Digital Camera World: “The latest data from Japan's Cabinet Office paints a grim picture for the once-mighty digital camera industry. A mere 48.6% of households now own a standalone digital camera, down from a peak of 77% in 2012. ”

This decline may be the root cause of the bad domestic sales. The fact that Canon only released the RF 35mm and the RF VR lens in the first half of this year does not help either.
 
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Does Canon manufacture Canon-labeled laser printers?

I think I remember reading, years ago, that many major-brand laser printers were not manufactured by the company that slapped their own label on it.
One of the documents released with the results states: “As for laser printers, unit sales increased compared with the same period of the previous year due in part to the completion of inventory adjustments at its OEM partner”.

So I suspect that Canon does not manufacture their laser printers but have someone else slap the Canon labels on the laser printers.
 
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According to a post on Digital Camera World: “The latest data from Japan's Cabinet Office paints a grim picture for the once-mighty digital camera industry. A mere 48.6% of households now own a standalone digital camera, down from a peak of 77% in 2012. ”

This decline may be the root cause of the bad domestic sales. The fact that Canon only released the RF 35mm and the RF VR lens in the first half of this year does not help either.
I guess that is in line with a general trend: the fraction of people having a dedicated camera gear is shrinking, because for most people smartphones are completely satisfying. So camera makers only can rely on world markets to survive. Japan's population is aging and the no. of potential customers shrinking, and so is the traditionally strong domestic market.
 
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Three things:
  1. Canon was at 48% for 2023 (the 46.5% was for 2022, but also was total cameras while 48% is just ILCs; the 2% increase to 49% was Canon’s forecast for ILCs.
  2. Your math is wrong, Nikon is forecasting a 20% increase, (1 + 0.02)x11.7% = 11.9%, (1 + 0.2)x11.7 % = 14.0%.
  3. My main point was that if Nikon and Canon forecast a combined 3% increase in market share, other manufacturer(s) must lose market share, most likely Sony.
:eek: You got me, it should have been (1 + 0.2) of course, and I shouldn't do math with the Corona virus turning my brain into a sort of mush ... thx for the correction.
 
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I wonder how much of that is cluelessness about how to read and interpret financial data (people with the business acumen of a bowling ball), versus how much is intentional misrepresentation because 'Canon is Doomed' generates a lot more traffic than 'Canon is doing well as usual' (people with a good business acumen as far as it benefits them but the ethical sense of a bowling ball).
yeah, that hack at Petapixel always trying to say that Canon is on the verge of death.
 
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I got out of bed and dragged my arse to the computer to read that. It sounds like that's just Canon Japan's numbers?

I have to read it a little more.

yeah, it has to be the overall net sales are only 161 billion yen, versus Canon Global being 1167 billion yen.

photorumors is usually much better than that.
Peter has become a hack in the past year, probably the delusions of seeing “Sony trolls” everywhere finally took their toll :p
For real though, he seems to be on a pro-Nikon, anti-everyone-else crusade now. He’s not even bothering to try to hide his bias anymore. His relentless Canon and Panasonic bashing over the past few months have really turned me off from all of his sites.
 
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