Opinion: The R5 Mark II sounds cool – but where’s my Canon R5s?
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Yes. More MP, lenses like the $3-5K PF superteles that Nikon makes, etc. As I've stated, when the 800-lb gorilla is eating bamboo, smaller mammals should find another food source.
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I think Sony more than Nikon is annoyed at Canon. Let's face it. Sony had a pet little market all to themselves and Leica and Leica was never going to be mainstream. Then Canon and Nikon decided to join in on the fun, and suddenly Sony's marketshare plummeted nearly over night.
It was even more depressing for the poor Sony fanboys who thought it would take Canon a decade to catch up to Sony's AF and sensor tech and Canon did both in one generation. About the only thing they are clinging on for dear life now is "open mount" nonsense,, and the difference of 45 to 60mp.
Canon also executed the pivot to mirrorless insanely well. They were buffered a by EOS-M in terms of unit marketshare while they did, but they really didn't lose any momentum, Nikon, even though it's cameras were extremely good, surprisingly didn't make the pivot nearly as well. But Canon was aided a lot by it's massive EF mount marketshare. The F mount being non electronic for a lot of it's years, struggled more with the pivot. Where Canon could offer seamless adapters for every single EF lens, Nikon couldn't unless it was the G lenses (I think that's the only designation - going by memory)
But I'm not really talking about 60mp here, 120mp takes things to the limit - but also allows you some far more creative and also image data freedom. 45 vs 60 is meaningless. it's less than 1400 pixels more across the entire sensor width.
when we take a picture - we are simply capturing data.
more data is always better. we can use AI to improve it, post process it more, etc, etc.
Especially with tools such as Canon's DLO and newer AI tools at our disposal
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I think Canon/Nikon had to because they were at risk of being just accessory (lens) suppliers to Sony customers.
I don't know about "open mount", but if it means there is the possibility of swapping bodies and lenses more easily (between manufacturers), sounds interesting to me. If done right, "open mount" could be like regular computers from Dell/HP vs the closed and smaller ecosystem of Apple (Canon.) I don't want to debate the merits of that, rather the value of their respective market share. Sony has a lot of work to do to make their offering attractive.
Yes, I imagine that Nikon now realize they should have moved to G about 20 years ago now.
Yes, megapixels needs to at least double to get meaningful change in an image quality.
Which is where Canon excels. For Sony or Nikon to provide meaningful disruption to Canon they are going to have to think outside the box and make live streaming work from the camera via WiFi/GPRS. Put HDR, panorama, and other phone camera modes on their camera that not only produce raw output files but also upload straight to Instagram, etc. Right now making the most of a 45 or 60 megapixel image requires a trip through Photoshop or similar. Or maybe all that will be left to Arsenal 3 ...
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Not sure that makes much sense in light of the fact that Canon sells more cameras every year than Sony, Nikon and Fuji combined.
It's far easier to have a closed system when you have half of the market (and an installed base that's probably closer to 75%).
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I was replying to a previous comment which implied that R3 and R1 have lower resolutions because you need high ISO and high shutter speed to freeze motion, so a fast sensor readout is also required. I was trying to counter that by saying that not everyone is an action photographer and not everyone needs a high shutter speed or high ISO.
I haven't made any claims about market, I'm just saying that for me personally, leaked specs of R1 and R5mkII don't tickle the right areas and that Canon doesn't have anything to offer in reply to for example Sony's A1 - a 50 mpix camera which shoots 30 fps and that has been on the market since 2021, or to A7R V - a 61 mpix camera. Not to mention Sony has had a 61 mpix sensor available since 2019.
While I do occasionally drink Canon's koolaid, there's a glaring gap in Canon's lineup and that is high resolution camera.
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Maybe It's not earth shattering, but 30% more megapixels is not insignificant either.
I guess I'm just annoyed at the lack of progress in terms of resolution when it comes to Canon's upcoming cameras. When the R5 came out, I thought "ok, first R5 camera is 45 megapixels, surely in 2 years a 60 megapixel mk2 will follow". Then covid delayed everything and now 4 years later - it's 45 megapixels again. With improved speed...
I can't stop to ask why? Isn't R3 and R1 and R7 already enough to cover everybody that needs a fast cameras? Where is the high res Canon camera? I don't need 3 to choose from, just one. I don't think I'm being unrealistic in my expectations.
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You're price comparing R5 to A1, when you know very well that it should be compared to R3 (and R1), considering A1 was and still is Sony's flagship.
R3 was $6,000 at launch and Sony was $6.495, so it was $500 more for Sony and in return you got double sensor resolution, same shooting speed, double slowmotion speed and 8K video.
Likewise, you're ignoring A7R, a direct competitor to the R5 and the upcoming R5 mk II, which cost $400 less than R5 on announcement date and offered pretty much the same specs as R5, except it also had a 61 mpix sensor. Five years later, Canon still doesn't have anything past 45 megapixels. To me that's a glaring gap that's only grown bigger with Fuji offering a 100 megapixel hybrid medium format cameras at MILC prices.
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Agree to disagree. As I said, some people would have you believe that 1/3-stop means the difference between a great lens and an unusably slow lens.
It's not unrealistic to desire a higher MP body from Canon. It is unreasonable to expect them to fulfill that desire, and it's unreasonable to believe that a majority of camera buyers share your desire, absent data to support that. I'd assert that Canon is likely to have such data.
That's exactly what I'm planning to do. Don't want to wait until 2028. to get R5 mk3, with another 45 megapixel sensor...
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Good for you! (And I mean that, no sarcasm intended – if I needed more MP, I'd already have a Fuji MF-ish camera.).
IMO, it's far better that we have choices. If all manufacturers offered the basically the same products, we'd all be much worse off. In this case, Canon is offering more speed than anyone else (at least, if the rumors are correct). Other manufacturers offer more MP. etc. Choice is good.
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Once again you go trying to put words in my mouth... Where did I say anything about majority of camera buyers wanting this or that? Nowhere. I made it abundantly clear that these are MY thoughts and MY expectations and I provided multiple points to support them. Anytime anyone criticizes Canon, you start acting like we're insulting your mom or wife.
Don't take it so personally.
It's a corporation, and I have every right to complain, if nothing else than because it's a simple fact that Canon doesn't have a high resolution camera while other manufactures do. You can twist and wiggle and attack me any way you like, it's not going to change that.
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Finally something we can agree on. Choice is good. It would be better if I could choose within Canon eco system, considering Canon historically was both speed and resolution leader when it came to DSLR - especially series 1 cameras. I know I will hate having to run 2 different camera and lens systems in parallel, but it is what it is.
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I disagree with this.
It's VERY realistic to expect them to do this - since they announced 8 years ago a 120MP DSLR in development that never has come yet.
if they didn't do that development announcement and show it off for 1 to 2 years in trade shows, I'd agree with you.
Also - Canon fills niches if they think it's profitable it doesn't have to be a majority of users.
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I'm not saying they won't make a high MP camera. I'm suggesting that expecting them to is not reasonable. They will do so if they think it will be profitable enough.
It's been 8 years, and the development announcement was for a DSLR, and it would have been an APS-H DSLR. Do you think it's realistic to expect that they will release a MILC with a 120 MP APS-H sensor, based on that announcement? Or that a development announcement for an APS-H DSLR means they'll release a 120 MP FF MILC? I certainly don't think either of those represent reasonable expectations. YMMV.
FWIW, that sensor has been available from Canon for several years, intended for industrial applications. You can even order an evaluation copy, IIRC it comes in a basic camera shell with a Nikon F mount.
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that was the demonstrator, there was absolutely no indication that it would have been the sensor variant in the final camera. the 120MP sensor that canon is selling, they stated was not meant for stills cameras, but more video production, monitoring, aviation, and space applications.
it's not as if Canon cannot scale up from APS-H to full frame. even at the time of the announcement it wasn't a significant lift for them, and it certainly wasn't when DPAF came to full frame.
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Sure, but it’s been 8 years. Seems Canon has moved on.
Oh wait, I just looked back. Seems it was announced over a year ago. CR3 is pretty much a sure thing. My fault, I missed it.
Canon is gearing up to finally release a high megapixel camera with 100+ megapixels [CR3]
It has been long rumoured that Canon would develop a high-megapixel camera to the lineup. There have been a lot of reports and wishes for something like a Canon EOS R5s. Yesterday we posted what to…
www.canonrumors.com
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