My RF 800mm f/11 is just as sharp as my last EF 400mm DO ii with the EF 2xTC at f/8 as is the RF 200-800mm at 800mm f/9.Regarding the comment on the DO/PF fresnel tech... The 600mm and 800mm consumer lenses that Canon came out with just a couple years ago were pretty wild, and I don't think this community has quite yet digested how cool they are. Yes, they're very wonky with their trombone mechanism, but holy smokes, they're sharp. And cheap. Couldn't be a better proof-of-concept that you can get high image quality with DO, and that it can be cheap.
Someone pointed out that maybe there's a big decline in yield when you get larger elements. This could be true. The recent consumer supertelephoto lenses are so small in aperture that the elements aren't large. But, still, the lack of more and wider-aperture offerings does make me think that Canon isn't prioritizing, say, a DO 600 f/5.6, probably more for protecting their expensive lens lines than lack of capability.
This plays into the built-in TC issue in a fashion. If there is pressure to keep a DO element small, you're probably making a thinner-aperture lens. The TC will lose another stop of light. A product manager may want to choose one or the other when finding the right balance. I used to think that this would encourage built-in TCs, but now that you can buy a 600mm f/11 lens used on eBay in the 400s, I'm thinking the fresnel lens elements are probably the cheaper way to go for efficient oomph for focal length versus size/cost.
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