Map Times for June 2024, X-T50 pummels everyone

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koenkooi said:
When the R7 became available for rental, I took it on a trip with my R5 and M6II. My conclusion was that it was too small for the 100-500 and too big to replace the M6II. The €1800 price tag was too much for what I’d get out of it. Fast forward 18 months and having sold my R5 in anticipation for the R5II, the €1200 price at panamoz was too good to pass up.
The R7, with all the firmware updates, performs better than expected. But I still think it’s an R90 and I hate the centimeter they chopped off the bottom. Buuuuuut so much more pixels per dragonfly compared to the R8!

The sigma RF-S lenses had me look at the other crop bodies and none of them have an acceptable sensor readout, I find the R7 one borderline acceptable. The prices are also way too high for what you get when comparing with the R8. Worse, the R10 is more expensive than the M6II launch price!

What I’m looking for is a capable crop body that doesn’t add nerfed features to look “pro”, like the EVFs on the 50 series. An RF M200 or M6II would be great, or as @Richard CR says, an R5 body with a fast aps-c sensor.

Without the 7D context, the R7 is a great camera. Avoid using it side by side with an R5 or R8 :)
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My own entry in the world of R bodies will begin with the R5MkII (fingers crossed emoji).

But I have had good luck using one of my M6MkIIs outfitted with one of these:

www.custombatterygrips.com

Extension Grip for Canon EOS M6 mark II

Worldwide shipping - Battery Grips, Extension Grips, Cages and Accessorioes - Custom Battery Grips online store.
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...the EF-M--> EF adapter mated to the EF 100-400II works quite well on the 'gripped' M6MkII, and the sensor within the M6MkII remains quite usable.

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The sales list for the particular store mentioned in this article--when Canon sold-and-marketed various Ms, did some of those Ms make these lists?
 
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#44
vangelismm said:
So Canon is right.
You just said that an aps-c eco system is useless.
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no he didn't.

he said for 7 series, the emphasis was on L series lenses, primarily telephoto. however there was a lot more cameras to the APS-C lineup than the 7 series.

I'd also tend to agree that when I was shooting with the 7 series it was primarily L series lenses with the exception of ultra wide, or if I needed a compact normal.

but that's more a canon failing.
 
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josephandrews222 said:
My own entry in the world of R bodies will begin with the R5MkII (fingers crossed emoji).

But I have had good luck using one of my M6MkIIs outfitted with one of these:

www.custombatterygrips.com

Extension Grip for Canon EOS M6 mark II

Worldwide shipping - Battery Grips, Extension Grips, Cages and Accessorioes - Custom Battery Grips online store.
www.custombatterygrips.com www.custombatterygrips.com

...the EF-M--> EF adapter mated to the EF 100-400II works quite well on the 'gripped' M6MkII, and the sensor within the M6MkII remains quite usable.

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The sales list for the particular store mentioned in this article--when Canon sold-and-marketed various Ms, did some of those Ms make these lists?
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I used this: https://www.smallrigreseller.com/smallrig-l-bracket-for-canon-eos-m6-mark-ii-lcc2516.html

I worked fairly well, but it did feel like I had to work to keep the lens pointing forward. After renting the 100-400 a few times and using it on the RP and M6Ii, I decided that being able to use it on both wasn’t as important, so I pre-ordered the RF100-500 :)

M6II + 100-400LII does give you lots of pixels per dragonfly:
https://flic.kr/p/2jh1VCF
 
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I don\'t necessarily have to understand everything, but the success of the S9 is still a puzzle to me. It\'s pricier than other cameras, while offer objectively fewer features, and even Panasonic\'s own S5 II is currently priced the same.
 
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Gino_FOTO said:
I don\'t necessarily have to understand everything, but the success of the S9 is still a puzzle to me. It\'s pricier than other cameras, while offer objectively fewer features, and even Panasonic\'s own S5 II is currently priced the same.
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You have to understand MAP is only one of the camera shops in Japan, it has limited representation. It's like The Camera Store(in Canada) published a result of their sales. It means little.
 
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josephandrews222 said:
My own entry in the world of R bodies will begin with the R5MkII (fingers crossed emoji).

But I have had good luck using one of my M6MkIIs outfitted with one of these:

www.custombatterygrips.com

Extension Grip for Canon EOS M6 mark II

Worldwide shipping - Battery Grips, Extension Grips, Cages and Accessorioes - Custom Battery Grips online store.
www.custombatterygrips.com www.custombatterygrips.com

...the EF-M--> EF adapter mated to the EF 100-400II works quite well on the 'gripped' M6MkII, and the sensor within the M6MkII remains quite usable.

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The sales list for the particular store mentioned in this article--when Canon sold-and-marketed various Ms, did some of those Ms make these lists?
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You have been doing pretty well on your M6Mii!
 
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#50
Zadak said:
Why does Canon lag so much in the APS-C department? Like, give me a R6MII body with a crop sensor. How hard can that be?
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That's funny, because spec wise, the R7 is still better than anything close to its price. I'm sure R7 users would not be happy with the X-T50's whopping 13 fps in electronic and 5 fps in mechanical shutter, and absolutely tiny buffer. Nor does it lag behind Sony's APS-C offerings and they are well ahead of Nikon's.
 
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AlanF said:
You have been doing pretty well on your M6Mii!
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The grip I referenced makes it more suitable for big lenses.

The adapted EF 70-300 IS II + M6MkII is a much lighter/smaller package (than the 100-400II). The 70-300 works well on the M6MkII with or without the added grip...as you have pointed out (I think) the 100-400 RF lens also works well (on R bodies), and I think the EF 70-300 IS II is sort of a similar lens.

It has been a decade since I purchased my still-useful 5DMk3; time to upgrade!
 
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josephandrews222 said:
The grip I referenced makes it more suitable for big lenses.

The adapted EF 70-300 IS II + M6MkII is a much lighter/smaller package (than the 100-400II). The 70-300 works well on the M6MkII with or without the added grip...as you have pointed out (I think) the 100-400 RF lens also works well (on R bodies), and I think the EF 70-300 IS II is sort of a similar lens.

It has been a decade since I purchased my still-useful 5DMk3; time to upgrade!
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The M6II and 70-300 are a pretty good combo, but for close-ups the 100-400II is much, much sharper.
I bought a used 70-300II to use while waiting for the 100-500 preorder to ship, it came in handy a few times. Even on a bare M6II it’s useable:
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koenkooi said:
I used this: https://www.smallrigreseller.com/smallrig-l-bracket-for-canon-eos-m6-mark-ii-lcc2516.html

I worked fairly well, but it did feel like I had to work to keep the lens pointing forward. After renting the 100-400 a few times and using it on the RP and M6Ii, I decided that being able to use it on both wasn’t as important, so I pre-ordered the RF100-500 :)

M6II + 100-400LII does give you lots of pixels per dragonfly:
https://flic.kr/p/2jh1VCF
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Thanks for the link. I think I looked at those as well...looks like it would work, too. I decided against it because of...the wooden grip! For whatever reason I decided on the one piece of plastic solution. The product I purchased shipped from Poland!
 
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#54
blackcoffee17 said:
It's like Canon is making the RF-S line intentionally as dumb as possible.
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Was that not obvious? Canon has always made their crop bodies as crippled as possible in fundamental ways because they're all about selling you that camera and then driving you up the line. Fuji made their whole line cropped so you're not constantly getting screwed, and it has worked wonders.
 
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#55
Richard CR said:
a 40MP stacked APS-C is long overdue. the 32.5MP is (counts fingers) 3 generations old now.

while it's still a fantastic sensor (same one as the M6 Mark II basically) it can be better.

The issue i have with the ergonomics - it's a stupid unforced error. How many of "us" cut our teeth up from the XXD series into 7D series and wanted to migrate to mirrorless? Then you go ahead and make it completely and radically different than every other RF system forcing a decision .. do i get this or wait for them to realize they messed up on the R7 Mark II?

Why do one-off ergonomic changes - the EOS R showed that kind of stuff wasn't popular. Canon knows better than to do this.

Take me. I look at the APS-C lineup for RF. I'd happily take a R5 like R7 with a top LCD, and professional xD / Rx series ergonomics. Without a doubt - I used 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 7D, 7DII before mirrorless. But I don't like what they did. So what's my choices - all the other RF APS-C cameras are with a (counts even more fingers) 4 generation old sensor? And I'm paying a premium for that? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one in this situation looking at the RF APS-C system. It neither looks compelling from the EOS-M or the EF.

YEs Yes Yes I know .. Canon knows best, market leader, etc. but they are shipping from Japan and inventory is just sitting around and not being sold.
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One of Canon's main advantages over competition was ergonomics.
No idea who tested the R (still okayish) or the R7 (OMG), I hope the'll get assigned other duties, like packaging, delivery van driving etc...
If you are known for excellent ergonomics, why sacrifice them on the altar of change or "progress"?
Even the difference between R5 and R6 irritates. Who knows why they haven't yet found some kind of a standard.
And Canon should not forget than many photographers use the left side eye to aim, some buttons are simply too close to the EVF's ocular (R5, are you listening?)
 
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Del Paso said:
One of Canon's main advantages over competition was ergonomics.
No idea who tested the R (still okayish) or the R7 (OMG), I hope the'll get assigned other duties, like packaging, delivery van driving etc...
If you are known for excellent ergonomics, why sacrifice them on the altar of change or "progress"?
Even the difference between R5 and R6 irritates. Who knows why they haven't yet found some kind of a standard.
And Canon should not forget than many photographers use the left side eye to aim, some buttons are simply too close to the EVF's ocular (R5, are you listening?)
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I hear you loud and clear my friend.

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This article has been percolating in my mind for a while now, and as I got further into the various designs and Canon’s mentality, it became more of a synopsis of Canon’s methodology to date. The RF system has been very disruptive to Canon in terms of switching the mount and also the ergonomic...
www.canonrumors.com
 
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Richard CR said:
I hear you loud and clear my friend.

www.canonrumors.com

Canon Rumors Your best source for Canon news, rumors and more

This article has been percolating in my mind for a while now, and as I got further into the various designs and Canon’s mentality, it became more of a synopsis of Canon’s methodology to date. The RF system has been very disruptive to Canon in terms of switching the mount and also the ergonomic...
www.canonrumors.com
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I've read you excellent article, but Canon? Unfortunately, I doubt it!
 
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