Canon Maintains a Dominant Position in the Market for 2023

P-visie said:

Part of the “we’re done here” is that the optical quality of the EF 180mm for macro is so very good. Even on 50mp (5Ds R) and 45mp (R5).
Canon please hurry in converting the RF tele macro lens patents to actual products.

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Mine was horrible at infinity, except in the centre. Sides were worse than the EF 2,8/20's at f/2,8!
But I know I caught a lemon. I'd buy the new one without hesitating, provided it gets OIS.

Del Paso said:

Mine was horrible at infinity, except in the centre. Sides were worse than the EF 2,8/20's at f/2,8!
But I know I caught a lemon. I'd buy the new one without hesitating, provided it gets OIS.

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Speaking as someone who NEVER pre-orders anything - I would pre-order an RF 180mm macro ...

docsmith said:

So, I like numbers:

Year	Units Sold	World Population	% of World Pop Buying a Unit
1986	4.86M	4.95B	0.1%
2012	21.1M	7.16B	0.29%
2020	5.27M	7.84B	0.07%
2023	6.16M	8.045B	0.08%

Ignoring population distribution, wealth of population, etc...the industry is inching back to where it was in 1986, with 0.1% of the population buying a "Focal Plane" camera, I am assuming an ILC. And this is with the rise of the ubiquitous smartphone and a glut of ILCs sold during the digital conversion of 2010 to 2020.

So, really, it is 2012 that stands out, as masses of people converted from film to digital. I suspect the market will grow with wealth/population/etc again.

More of a normal sustained business cycle.

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Given worldwide demographics and global economics, the conclusion seems unlikely and is certainly not part of a "normal sustained business cycle." Sure, the population is growing, but the working age populations of Western countries are the people most likely to buy expensive recreational bling of all types, and most Western democracies are in demographic decline (or temporary stagnation in N. America, to be followed eventually by decline)--and the working age folks in these countries are also pressured economically from the end of globalization and the return of traditional historical behavior patterns of nations. Add competition from camera phones, and there is no reason to believe that the mirrorless camera market will experience significant growth toward some new glory years in the foreseeable future.

Your selection of only four unevenly-spaced data points in a mix of film and digital camera sales to attempt to draw broad conclusions between the separate data sets of film and digital, or project future sales, is ludicrous. You point to 2012 as some sort of watershed year and claim that sales were a high outlier due exclusively to people migrating from film to digital, yet you ignore that film camera sales were 32.5M in 2000, and the peak changeover to digital happened several years earlier.

Further, your use of "normal sustained business cycle" in reference to a 38-year sales history of a product across numerous business cycles suggests you are unfamiliar with its meaning. I also question why you would think world population would bear any significant relationship to worldwide camera sales as that seems arbitrary. Do historical sales of cabinets of curiosities, lawn tennis equipment, or home pianos track worldwide population? Obviously not, so why should recreational camera sales? The interests and whims of those with economic means aren't directly driven by the number of people surrounding them.

Not that this has much to do with Canon's overall business, as the Imaging Group produces 21% of sales and the fastest growing portion of that is network cameras for security applications. Security cameras may become the largest business element in the Imaging Group. As a company, Canon is doing okay even if the market for mirrorless cameras retains limited opportunities for growth. Queue the music... "CANON IS DOOMED!!"

It has the other magazine in Japan has more information about market share
in Mirrorless
1. Canon is 1,96 million units
2. Sony is 1.53 million units
3. Nikon is 630,000 units

It should be the same as previous news, Canon is 40%.

Navism said:

It has the other magazine in Japan has more information about market share

2023年 世界カメラ市場 ミラーレスカメラ デジタル一眼レフ コンパクト 出荷台数　デジカメライフ

dclife.jp

in Mirrorless
1. Canon is 1,96 million units
2. Sony is 1.53 million units
3. Nikon is 630,000 units

It should be the same as previous news, Canon is 40%.

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Thank you, seeing the numbers, rather than %, shows how far ahead Canon and S*ny are.

Mirrorless 4 - 6:
4. Fujifilm: 380,000 units
5. Panasonic … 140,000 units
6. OM Digital … 120,000 units

The post also has shipment numbers for DSLR and compact digital camera’s:

Digital SLR shipments 2023

1. Canon … 920,000 units ↓
2. Nikon … 130,000 units ↓
3. Ricoh Imaging … 10,000 units →

Compact digital camera shipments 2023

1. Sony: 470,000 units ↓
2. Canon … 460,000 units ↓
3. Panasonic … 120,000 units ↓
4. OM Digital … 60,000 units ↓
5. Nikon … 50,000 units
6. Fujifilm … 50,000 units ↓
7. Ricoh Imaging … 50,000 units→

Tough times ahead for OM Digital, Panasonic and Ricoh (unless the sell a ton of their new film camera ).

Google translated link to DCLife.

R5 mkii is no. 1 and no.3 in first half Aug from yodobashi.
But it will not hold that long because od out of stock.

R6 mkii, R10 and R50 seem selling good this year. It doesn't need to release R6 mkiii this year.



It drives the lens selling too.
200-800mm keep selling well.

koenkooi said:

Canon is only an RF180L macro lens away from expanding the market

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I really wish they'd finally release an update to the MP-E 65mm 2.8 macro lens. It's great but with todays lens technology they could give it serious IS and better IQ. I mean it doesn't have to be 65mm just something that allows for 2x, to 5x macro. I was really happy to see the new RF 100mm macro has more than 1x macro, but of all the lenses, that one's the oldest of macros and needs an RF release.

P-visie said:

Thank you, seeing the numbers, rather than %, shows how far ahead Canon and S*ny are.

Mirrorless 4 - 6:
4. Fujifilm: 380,000 units
5. Panasonic … 140,000 units
6. OM Digital … 120,000 units

The post also has shipment numbers for DSLR and compact digital camera’s:

Digital SLR shipments 2023

1. Canon … 920,000 units ↓
2. Nikon … 130,000 units ↓
3. Ricoh Imaging … 10,000 units →

Compact digital camera shipments 2023

1. Sony: 470,000 units ↓
2. Canon … 460,000 units ↓
3. Panasonic … 120,000 units ↓
4. OM Digital … 60,000 units ↓
5. Nikon … 50,000 units
6. Fujifilm … 50,000 units ↓
7. Ricoh Imaging … 50,000 units→

Tough times ahead for OM Digital, Panasonic and Ricoh (unless the sell a ton of their new film camera ).

Google translated link to DCLife.

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It's really fascinating to me that they sold almost 1 million DSLR's that's crazy... who's buying those over the mirrorless? I thought DSLRs were totally discontinued? Maybe that's old-stock? That's also more than any other maker by like a factor of 8x ... So when that market drops out, I wonder if that will hurt canon.