Sony Alpha A1 II, the EOS R1 Killer? Rumored specifications

Canon Rumors Guy said:

Say what? I think you're confusing the EOS-1D X Mark III with the Nikon D6.

Canon's agency and professional customers were entirely EF, as there wasn't native RF mount lenses to satisfy that market at the time. The EOS-1D X Mark III was the best and most advanced DSLR ever made.

The cost of switching those customers to an entirely new lens mount is enormous. Nevermind that the RF mount was unproven at the time.

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If only canon offered an adapter that allows EF lenses to function natively on R bodies. Oh wait. Funny how those same customers all of a sudden had no issues transitioning with the R3 the following year.

Sure the 1dxIII was technically the best and most advanced DSLR canon made (I think “ever made” goes to the D850 though). But it is essentially an R6 stuffed into a 1DX/II body. It’s the exact sort of thing that could be easily make if they had to pivot at the last second due to unforeseen problems.

Canon Rumors Guy said:

As for development, I think you're confusing the camera industry with the smartphone industry. Canon's R&D is currently working on new technologies that may or may not appear in future cameras. Things like sensors, processors, materials, algorithms and so on. They are not working on the next iteration on the consumer side of the EOS R5 Mark II or EOS R1.

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Highly unlikely they don’t already have development prototypes of the R1II and R5III, along with a general plan for R1III and R5IV.

neuroanatomist said:

Seriously, take off the tinfoil hat. In 2018-2019 when the 1D X III was being developed, DSLRs still outsold MILCs. A pro-level DSLR was obviously logical. In 2020 when the 1D X III launched, MILCs were 55% of the ILC market, a slim majority at best.

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So what you’re saying is it wasn’t a mistake for the industry leader to hold onto a dead end technology instead of you know.. leading the industry. Mmmkay.

neuroanatomist said:

Once again, the idea than you understand the market better than Canon is ludicrous. I'm not saying Canon isn't capable of making mistakes, but the idea that they do so routinely is not supported by the facts. But the internet is free, so you can go on propagating ridiculous conspiracy theories if you like.

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I’m not purporting to know the market better than Canon. I think they fully understood mirrorless was the future and wanted a pro level mirrorless camera out there for 2020, but couldn’t. Development issues do happen.

I do think it was a mistake for them to enter the mirrorless market so late in general, but that’s another matter. Once they made the pivot, they discontinued EF and M products pretty quickly (at least as far as conservative Japanese companies go).

SvO2 said:

So what you’re saying is it wasn’t a mistake for the industry leader to hold onto a dead end technology instead of you know.. leading the industry. Mmmkay.

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A 'dead end technology' that represented a majority of cameras sold during the development of the 1D X III and was being used by the majority of professional photographers at the time? Lol, sure...Canon would have been really smart to abandon that 5 years ago.

SvO2 said:

I’m not purporting to know the market better than Canon. I think they fully understood mirrorless was the future and wanted a pro level mirrorless camera out there for 2020, but couldn’t. Development issues do happen.

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But you have no evidence for this. You just think it happened, in spite of all logic to the contrary. Mmmkay.

SvO2 said:

I do think it was a mistake for them to enter the mirrorless market so late in general, but that’s another matter. Once they made the pivot, they discontinued EF and M products pretty quickly (at least as far as conservative Japanese companies go).

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You mean when they entered it 'so late' in 2012 with the EOS M line that became the best-selling MILC line? Or you mean 'so late' in 2018 when they launched their first FF MILC, when mirrorless comprised <40% of the ILC market? MILC sales didn't overtake DSLR sales until after Canon fully committed to mirrorless. You probably think that's a coincidence. How cute.

And how did being 'so late' to enter the mirrorless market affect their overall market share? Hmmm...it didn't. Clearly, their continued domination of the camera market as the overall market dropped by 90% and MILCs went from 20% to 80% of the ILC market is strong evidence that Canon makes lots of mistakes. At least in your opinion. Just keep on ignoring the facts and data that reveal your opinion to be baseless.

neuroanatomist said:

And how did being 'so late' to enter the mirrorless market affect their overall market share? Hmmm...it didn't. Clearly, their continued domination of the camera market as the overall market dropped by 90% and MILCs went from 20% to 80% of the ILC market is strong evidence that Canon makes lots of mistakes. At least in your opinion. Just keep on ignoring the facts and data that reveal your opinion to be baseless.

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I'm not trying to defend SvO2, but I think what he/she meant is that Canon did not react to Sony immediately, resulting in the internet shifting to Sony-fanboi mode, which he/she views as a big lose for Canon.