Keith, I was so pleased to see you'd be getting a loaner for review. Thanks for your thorough run-downs. The whole community owes you a good deal.
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Canon launches the imagePROGRAF PRO-1100
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The problem is with the auto cleaning cycles that consume a lot of ink for those who print relatively few prints. My Pro-1000 puts between 1/3 and 1/2 of the ink in the maintenance tank. The excessive use of ink by this printer is well documented. I bought an Epson P900, following my positive experience with the P600 and friends' experience with the P800. The good news is the efficient ink use, far fewer maintenance cycles and far less ink goes into the maintenance tank. The bad news is frequent jamming of paper and scratching of delicate papers. The replacement P900 was just as unreliable, so I got a Pro-1000, which has proven to be totally reliable and never damaged prints. I just have to suck up the cost of ink that goes into the maintenance tank. The print head on the Pro-1100 is the same as the Pro-1000, so let's see if ink use is more efficient. Oh, they missed an opportunity to attach a roll paper adapter, like the P900 has.
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Thanks Keith, I'll post it on the site.
I turn that stuff off for the most part, my last maintenance tank worked out to about $45 in ink. I've never had a nozzle issue. I also never leave it plugged in. You do hear it do something every now and then.
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An empty MC-20 is 275g, a full one is about 540g. So about 260g of ink when full. Ink costs about USD 74c per ml, or about a gram. So a full MC-20 holds close to $200 of ink.
There are two options for autocycles: standard and short - they can't be switched off. I find if I turn the printer off after use, it often triggers a cycle when turning on. The best way to reduce ink use is to print a test page once a week.
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Hey Keith,
Do you think you'll get a chance to review the Canon PRO-2600 and 4600? Would be nice to compare them against the Epson SC P7500. Your PRO-2000's review is from 2016, so hopefully things have evolved a bit on Canon's side since.
Thanks!
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I had hoped to already, but the last six months have been difficult for family reasons - a 2600 would need to go in the kitchen to do the review...
My PRO-1000 review is from the same date - I could use both it and the 2000 reviews as templates to write the new ones - inks and paper handling differ for the 2600, mainly inks for the 1100
There are some additions in the 2600, which did not make it to the 1100 [print and printhead quality monitoring]
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As far as I know, there is no way to turn off or even reduce cleaning cycles. They are going to run, no matter how long the printer is off or how often it is used. For people who print larger sizes frequently, the ratio of ink used for cleaning vs the ink actually put on paper isn't terrible. For moderate printing, the cost per photo, because of all the ink going into the waste-cartridge, is very, very high. This is the expensive fact-of-life with this otherwise reliable, high-quality printer.
And don't dare try to move the 1000 without prepping it; otherwise, a motion-sensor is triggered, and hundreds of dollars of ink in the feed-tubes will be purged for air-bubbles (just in case).
How could a design with a new ink which is "waxier" not use at least the same amount of ink?
And don't dare try to move the 1000 without prepping it; otherwise, a motion-sensor is triggered, and hundreds of dollars of ink in the feed-tubes will be purged for air-bubbles (just in case).
How could a design with a new ink which is "waxier" not use at least the same amount of ink?
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Sorry to hear. Hopefully for you, things will get better family-wise.
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I owned the Pro-1000 since 2019 and a few weeks ago it completely died right after I printed a 17x22 print for a client. It was my go to printer several times a week. After researching why that would happen, I found out that it\'s not an uncommon issue and has occurred to many owners of this printer. To add injury to insult, it is not repairable and thus became a paperweight. I had recently replaced several of the ink tanks, and have several unopened spare ink tanks which were rendered useless. What Canon failed to inform its customers is that if it\'s not used frequently, the unit can just die as mine did. I truly wonder if that\'s the case with the Pro-1100. I\'ve never had to throw out a Canon product due to failure, so this was an unpleasant first. I thus don\'t plan on purchasing the Pro-1100.
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Could you define "not an uncommon issue" in terms of statistics, and please cite your source. I'm likely to lean towards the 1100 once my own 2019 Pro 1000 uses up the last of its ink, but I'd be interested in learning more about reliability.
I've been printing since 2012, first with an Epson that lasted for seven years, but had annoying clogs. The Epson was still working fine when I went with the Pro 1000 for less hassles and modestly improved IQ. (Fact was, on sale, the Canon, with a whole set of full-sized cartridges, cost only a little more than a complete refill of the seven year old Epson.)
Clearly you are reporting a bad experience, but while I was learning how to print 12 years ago, what was hammered home on every site I visited, and even in a few books, was the importance of using photo inkjets frequently to avoid problems.
How long did you go without using yours?
Better luck next time!
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When it happened, I was dumbfounded. When the power died, it made a quick noise and then couldn’t be powered back up. So I did some online research and found that a fair number of owners had the same problem, called Canon, and were told that it’s not a repairable issue and was probably due to underuse of the printer. I honestly forget what forums or websites I saw that on, but I realized it wasn’t an isolated issue. I used mine 2-3 times per week during the entire time I owned it, so it certainly wasn’t from lack or use. It was plugged into a surge protector from day one and there were no power outages etc. before it died. I loved the printer, and I’ve owned a Pro 100 since it came out and have still had zero issues with it! It’s always on, and I use it a few times a month.
Thx!
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I am interested in getting the Pro 1100 to print photos in our small summer residence (where we have limited room and no printer currently). If I use it to also print occasional non-photo prints (eg. ordinary text printouts, usually B&W but sometimes color) would that help to keep the nozzles clean so that I shouldn't worry about the ink cost when using this photo printer for non-photo use?
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I'm inclined to say that a printer like this is distinct overkill for such an application.
You say 'summer residence' - suggesting lengthy periods of disuse?
No printer likes that - the PRO-1100 is a heavy old beast [~34kg] and I'll assume, just like the 1100 and won't like moving...
If you want Canon, get a PRO-200 or 300 - won't like being left, but more adaptable and smaller
Oh and much easier to lift/move
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My Pro-100 has been quite troublesome in its later years. The printer head is on its last legs and can’t be replaced by a Canon head. What I found frustrating is the sort of built in obsolescence. The error messages are unhelpful. The ink tray is at times inaccessible. After some crazy button pressing plugging out etc you can access the print head. I can clean it , then put it back in , waste piles of ink and it will work again for a while. Ink cartridges are ridiculously small. Overall printing is overly complicated. I’m surprised one of the manufacturers hasn’t made it more user friendly. Adobe add to the complexity.
I’m fed up with the unreliability of my Pro-100. I’m interested in this new 1100. Keith’s real review will be interesting.
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Very different beasts, beyond the max print size (A3+ vs. A2). Cartridges are larger, but a full set will be also far more expensive, although the price per print may be lower.
Printing from Lightroom is fairly simple, and results good. If you need the full power of Photoshop it can become quite more complex, especially without specific plug-ins. I prefer Lightroom to Canon's Print Studio because it perform automatically output sharpening and resampling quite well, besides color management. If your workflow is different Canon software might help.
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Yes, it'd have 9 months per year of non-use. But I have a friend who could keep it then, and do a simple nozzle check print every 2 or more weeks. I have a prograf 4100 (44") and that's what I have to do for 3 months each year (it doesn't get moved). But I would have to move the 1100 twice a year and that might be awkward or more wasteful on ink for the moves?
I do my own printing/framing. I'd be doing some of the same in my summer residence.
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The 1000 when moved requires to purge all loaded inks, which wastes inks and requires more than one maintenance cartridge, then perform another setup: https://ij.manual.canon/ij/webmanual/Manual/All/PRO-1000 series/EN/BG/bg-054.html. Anf of course is heavier and larger than a 300.
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Moving a PRO-1100 around
... Seems the sort of solution I'd welcome as a printer and ink salesman, well that and someone who has a 'summer residence' ;-)
Seriously though, not a solution I'd ever suggest.
You want 17" and portable, get an Epson P900.
Don't want Epson? Tough, time to re-evaluate your requirements ;-)
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