Canon plans to develop more lenses that no one has done before

I highly recommend watching the full video. The reviewer is a long-time Canon shooter (R5C). All the comments point out how detailed, nuanced, and honest the review is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a0A1R_xikU&ab_channel=DAVISION(en)

But here is a very short summary: (I'd still recommend to simply watch the video :) )
  • Negatives:
    • Below-average bokeh, with onion rings in the out-of-focus areas
    • Extremely poor backlight performance comparable to cheap Samyang lenses (Severe ghosting and flares)
    • Rattles when the camera is off (VCM). Audible even from the inside of your backpack when walking with every step.
    • Chromatic aberration (both lateral and longitudinal)
    • EXTREME distortion
    • Strong vignetting even when corrected. At high ISOs the corners are very grainy due to strong correction

  • Positives:
    • Small and lightweight
    • Sharp
    • Excellent focus breathing control (important for video)
    • Silent autofocus (important for video)

3 out of 5 on the negatives are nothing burgers. the bokeh was actually fine. I've seen below average bokeh and that's not it.

the positives are the things that matter - focus breathing, sharp, quiet and small and light weight.
 
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I highly recommend watching the full video. The reviewer is a long-time Canon shooter (R5C). All the comments point out how detailed, nuanced, and honest the review is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a0A1R_xikU&ab_channel=DAVISION(en)

But here is a very short summary: (I'd still recommend to simply watch the video :) )
  • Negatives:
    • Below-average bokeh, with onion rings in the out-of-focus areas
    • Extremely poor backlight performance comparable to cheap Samyang lenses (Severe ghosting and flares)
    • Rattles when the camera is off (VCM). Audible even from the inside of your backpack when walking with every step.
    • Chromatic aberration (both lateral and longitudinal)
    • EXTREME distortion
    • Strong vignetting even when corrected. At high ISOs the corners are very grainy due to strong correction

  • Positives:
    • Small and lightweight
    • Sharp
    • Excellent focus breathing control (important for video)
    • Silent autofocus (important for video)
Another review
 
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3 out of 5 on the negatives are nothing burgers. the bokeh was actually fine. I've seen below average bokeh and that's not it.

the positives are the things that matter - focus breathing, sharp, quiet and small and light weight.
3 out of 5? I listed 6 points so I'd ask you to please specify which points you disregard as "nothing burgers" just to make sure I understand what you're saying :) . Because I feel like none of these should be a point of concern in such an expensive lens.

It's probably subjective whether or not the Bokeh is below-average or "fine" but it should be exceptional! The extreme distortion and vignetting is also an issue.
And if you take a look minute 18:34 you can see how bad the backlight performance really is. That's sadly a fact! :(
Link with timestamp: https://youtu.be/_a0A1R_xikU?si=l4wTnYUEkGhaWmmJ&t=1114

And there is one thing that simply cannot be disregarded. It's very annoying and feels like you own a cheap piece of plastic if your lens constantly loudly rattles. Even when it's in your backpack during a long hike for example. Or when you're just walking around the city perhaps even recording audio on another camera which would then pick up the rattling of the 35mm VCM.
  • Negatives:
    • Below-average bokeh, with onion rings in the out-of-focus areas
    • Extremely poor backlight performance comparable to cheap Samyang lenses (Severe ghosting and flares)
    • Rattles when the camera is off (VCM). Audible even from the inside of your backpack when walking with every step.
    • Chromatic aberration (both lateral and longitudinal)
    • EXTREME distortion
    • Strong vignetting even when corrected. At high ISOs the corners are very grainy due to strong correction
 
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and you think that an ultra-wide prime faster than F2.8 is "basics"? ALso, I never mentioned RF - this actually happened all prior to RF.

They have the designs, but they also have to judge the market for such a lens as well.

And I am pretty sure I mentioned a fast ultra wide as a lens they should go after.

RF35/1.4 and RF24/1.4 are absolutely "basics", and should have been released years ago. 20/1.8 has become a commonly used lens and is available on both the other major FF mirrorless systems.

Sigma's 14/1.4 is massive and very much a niche astro lens, but Sony's 14/1.8GM is tiny and amazing. The fact that RF has been around for 6 years and there is no 14mm or even 16mm L lens is ridiculous. In days gone by that would be an f2.8L but considering Sony's 14/1.8GM is smaller and 30% lighter than Canon's old EF 14/2.8L ii, I'd say another 14/2.8L from Canon would be a disappointment. Whatever they release, it better actually perform, not like the old EF ultrawides.

Until we actually see some top-tier ultrawide primes from Canon I think it's more than a bit of a stretch to declare that Canon's ultrawide lens woes are behind it.
 
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3 out of 5? I listed 6 points so I'd ask you to please specify which points you disregard as "nothing burgers" just to make sure I understand what you're saying :) . Because I feel like none of these should be a point of concern in such an expensive lens.

repeating your same post over and over will see it removed and you given a warning.

about this "expensive lens". the Canon EF 35mm F1.4L II IS USM came out at 1799 USD in 2015. that's around $2450 in today's dollars.

the Canon RF 35L VCM is 1499 - which is $300 less and not even taking into account inflation during the decade.

On top of that, it's smaller, and better at what it's supposed to do.

Noise / Rattle? Don't shake the damned lens when it's not powered on?

bokeh? isn't the disaster you are making it out to be.
distortion? corrected in camera.
vignetting? corrected in camera.
CA? corrected in camera.

What can't be corrected? is it sharp. But you know what? if you dont' like the lens - then don't buy it.
 
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repeating your same post over and over will see it removed and you given a warning.

about this "expensive lens". the Canon EF 35mm F1.4L II IS USM came out at 1799 USD in 2015. that's around $2450 in today's dollars.

the Canon RF 35L VCM is 1499 - which is $300 less and not even taking into account inflation during the decade.

On top of that, it's smaller, and better at what it's supposed to do.

Noise / Rattle? Don't shake the damned lens when it's not powered on?

bokeh? isn't the disaster you are making it out to be.
distortion? corrected in camera.
vignetting? corrected in camera.
CA? corrected in camera.

What can't be corrected? is it sharp. But you know what? if you dont' like the lens - then don't buy it.
I'm sorry I was just trying to get my point across and understand exactly what your response was so I repeated it.

I'm trying to engage in a constructive dialogue and I'm sorry if I behaved inappropriately!

Correcting distortion and vignetting factually lowers image quality and other did manage to release lenses which required less correction. I hoped Canon would be able to match this quality. Bokeh is subjective I guess but I'm not the only one feeling that way!

Noise / Rattle: It's not about SHAKING the lens it literally happens with every step when you're holding the camera or when you have the lens in your backpack. It's not fun to have a constant rattling in your backpack all day long.

"if you don't like the lens - then don't buy it." - Well, I won't. But I would've loved to! I'm disappointed in Canon after such a long wait. So please don't brush this away like it's nothing. I'm not the only one feeling that way.
I'm glad you don't share these concerns but they're valid concerns nevertheless as image quality factually suffers once heavy vignetting correction is applied (noisy corner image quality) just to name one example.
 
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I'm sorry I was just trying to get my point across and understand exactly what your response was so I repeated it.

I'm trying to engage in a constructive dialogue and I'm sorry if I behaved inappropriately!

Correcting distortion and vignetting factually lowers image quality and other did manage to release lenses which required less correction. I hoped Canon would be able to match this quality. Bokeh is subjective I guess but I'm not the only one feeling that way!

Noise / Rattle: It's not about SHAKING the lens it literally happens with every step when you're holding the camera or when you have the lens in your backpack. It's not fun to have a constant rattling in your backpack all day long.

"if you don't like the lens - then don't buy it." - Well, I won't. But I would've loved to! I'm disappointed in Canon after such a long wait. So please don't brush this away like it's nothing. I'm not the only one feeling that way. I'm glad you don't share these concerns but they're valid concerns nevertheless

all lenses are more or less governed by this triangle - invision it. I'm too busy getting prepped for things tomorrow to draw it out.

_______COST
SIZE---------QUALITY

every lens is a compromise between cost, size and quality - and even quality at times has to be broken down into sub sections.
for example;
You can create a lens that is incredibly sharp, but it may have more distortion. that's simply an optical compromise.

lens designers usually look at what can be corrected in camera, and use that to save in either cost or size.

also there's variable BEYOND the lens itself; for instance
vignetting usually is governed by size of the camera and also the sensor. in other words, it may not even be a lens problem, but a sensor problem, and that can actually improve over time with newer sensor designs.


if you want perfection? sorry - that is in the price 5x what you are paying for this if not more. to get small, with little optical compromises you are going to paying leica or zeiss prices and not canon prices.
 
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3 out of 5? I listed 6 points so I'd ask you to please specify which points you disregard as "nothing burgers". Because I feel like none of these should be a point of concern in such an expensive lens.
For an L-series fast prime lens, it's relatively cheap. The EF 34/1.4L II launched at $1800, for comparison. Your expectations can be whatever you want them to be, up to and including optical perfection in a $50 lens. I prefer to be realistic in my expectations, and for the price of the RF 35/1.4 it appears to deliver (though I'm not personally interested in the lens).

It's probably subjective whether or not the Bokeh is below-average or "fine" but it should be exceptional! The extreme distortion and vignetting is also an issue.
I've seen bokeh samples, some are fine, some are what I'd call 'nervous'. True of most lenses, I've seen nervous bokeh with my EF 600/4L II (a lens costing 8x as much as the RF 35/1.4). There are lenses with consistently poor bokeh (e.g. catadioptric lenses), the 35/1.4L VCM isn't one of them.

And if you take a look minute 18:34 you can see how bad the backlight performance really is. That's sadly a fact! :(
Link with timestamp: https://youtu.be/_a0A1R_xikU?si=l4wTnYUEkGhaWmmJ&t=1114
I can make pretty much any lens perform like that, if I have an axe to grind. Check out Bryan's flare testing, the 35/1.4 is not bad at all.

And there is one thing that simply cannot be disregarded. It's very annoying and feels like you own a cheap piece of plastic if your lens constantly loudly rattles. Even when it's in your backpack during a long hike for example. Or when you're just walking around the city perhaps even recording audio on another camera which would then pick up the rattling of the 35mm VCM.
Every RF lens with IS rattles, too.

As for the other issues, lateral CA is not bad, axial CA is definitely a problem (but one shared by most other fast primes). I'm surprised Canon didn't use a BR element, it controls LoCA very well in the EF 35L II and in the RF 85/1.2. But it probably kept the cost down, there's those realistic expectations coming up again.

Distortion, yes the lens has strong distortion before correction. After correction, it's fine. I have pointed out (many times!) that the RF 14-35/4 at 14mm after correction is just as sharp in the corners as the EF 11-24/4 at 14mm, and the latter has essentially no distortion. The RF 10-20/4 is also just as good in the corners as the far more expensive, larger and heavier EF 11-24. So where's the downside? In the mind of you and others, only. If you can show a concrete example of how an optically corrected lens (like the EF 11-24/4) is superior to a digitally corrected lens with a similar range, by all means do so. @SwissFrank has asked for such an example more times than I can count, and no one has provided one. Maybe you'll be the first.

Similarly, both ultrawide and very fast primes suffer from vignetting, an aberration that is distinct from distortion (people tend to associate them because they affect the periphery of the image more, but so do many aberrations, e.g. coma and astigmatism). The RF 35/1.4L has about the same 3 stops as the EF 35/1.4L II, both of which are better than the 4 stops of the RF 50/1.2L and RF 85/1.2L.

So lots of nothing-burgers in your list of complaints. Probably enough to keep you from buying a lens you would not have bought anyway. Hey, Nikon has a 35/1.4 that costs only $600. Time to switch brands!
 
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Probably enough to keep you from buying a lens you would not have bought anyway. Hey, Nikon has a 35/1.4 that costs only $600. Time to switch brands!
Thank you very much for your extensive reply! I really appreciate it!
Thank you for also acknowledging that there are problems with this lens. Distortion and vignetting for example is a lot worse in this 35mm compared to a Sony 35mm GM. This only proves that delivering better performance in a similar form factor is possible. IS rattling is also different than VCM rattling. VCM rattling is way more noticeable.

I will reconsider my current position with an open mind!

I love Canon bodies but I'd be lying if I said that I never wished to be able to use some of the Sony E-Mount lenses on my R5. I generally like how compact and light Sony lenses are. The RF35mm goes in the right direction. I hope the updated RF24-70 f/2.8 will also be a little more compact. The original RF24-70 is five years old now (form 2019). The Sony 24-70 f/2.8 GM II weighs in at 695g while the Canon RF24-70 f/2.8 is over 200g heavier (900g). I'd be happy if they dropped lens IS in order to make it more compact and lighter. The Canon RF15-35 weighs 840g while the Sony 16-35 GM II weighs only 547g. This makes a huge difference when you're working with gimbals.
I really hope Canon will not disappoint with the updated versions of the RF15-35 L IS USM (probably the RF15-35 Z) and the new RF24-70 f/2.8
 
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all lenses are more or less governed by this triangle - invision it. I'm too busy getting prepped for things tomorrow to draw it out.

_______COST
SIZE---------QUALITY

if you want perfection? sorry - that is in the price 5x what you are paying for this if not more. to get small, with little optical compromises you are going to paying leica or zeiss prices and not canon prices.
Thanks! I understand.

And I'm glad that Canon was able to finally deliver a more compact lighter lens with decent quality.

But I still hoped for a little more. Not for perfection. But I hoped for the best 35mm on the market after such a long wait. It's a good lens but I expected to be blown out of the water after all these years.


What is your current estimate for the release date of the rumored successor to the RF15-35L IS USM? There was some talk about the RF15-35 Z being released in 2024. Any chance of a 2024 / early 2025 release still happening?
And do you know if a successor to the RF24-70 f/2.8 from 2019 is in the works? Thanks :)
 
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So lots of nothing-burgers in your list of complaints. Probably enough to keep you from buying a lens you would not have bought anyway. Hey, Nikon has a 35/1.4 that costs only $600. Time to switch brands!
Just to add to this: I recommend @JonasGillman the Tamron 35/1.4 SP Di. There is no IS, so nothing rattles. It covers the corners without digital corrections. I like the bokeh, but bokeh is a personal thing. It has an EF mount, so it can be used on old mirrorslappers as well. But be aware it is heavy.
Choice is good.
 
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Thank you for also acknowledging that there are problems with this lens. Distortion and vignetting for example is a lot worse in this 35mm compared to a Sony 35mm GM.

I will reconsider my current position with an open mind!
The Sony 35/1.4 GM has the same ~3 stops of vignetting as the Canon RF 35/1.4L (comparison link), if anything the Sony is very slightly (1/10-stop or so) worse. I wonder if your favorite YouTuber has reviewed the Sony 35/1.4 GM, and if so, did he characterize it as having, "Strong vignetting even when corrected. At high ISOs the corners are very grainy due to strong correction." (If he didn't, his bias is apparent.)

And as I said, what matters is the output (although some people just can't get past the idea that a lens may need digital correction of distortion and mistakenly believe that is inherently worse than optical correction).

Seems like your bias is pretty well entrenched, but good luck with that open mind thingy.
 
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The Sony 35/1.4 GM has the same ~3 stops of vignetting as the Canon RF 35/1.4L (comparison link), if anything the Sony is very slightly (1/10-stop or so) worse. I wonder if your favorite YouTuber has reviewed the Sony 35/1.4 GM, and if so, did he characterize it as having, "Strong vignetting even when corrected. At high ISOs the corners are very grainy due to strong correction." (If he didn't, his bias is apparent.)

And as I said, what matters is the output (although some people just can't get past the idea that a lens may need digital correction of distortion and mistakenly believe that is inherently worse than optical correction).

Seems like your bias is pretty well entrenched, but good luck with that open mind thingy.
I'll be honest with you. I jumped to conclusions after watching reviews I've seen and I have exaggerated some of these things as a consequence of that. I should've been better than that but I'm only human.

I never said it was a BAD lens though. Its sharpness and contrast are magnificent. But while heavy vignetting can be corrected for when shooting in relatively good lighting conditions it's really hard when you're shooting low light high ISO scenes as grain will start to creep in if you're trying to brighten up the corners.
Astrophotography panoramas for example would suffer badly.

Why does the constant rattling not bother you though? If you're going on a trip and you hear this rattling all day long every day even if the lens is in your backpack I'd be soooo annoyed after a while. Just about every reviewer mentions it. Canon could've surely figured out SOMETHING to stop this constant and very annoying rattling. You don't seem to care about the rattling but even if the lens was an optically perfect 8-240mm f/0.95 lens ( :D ) I would still be annoyed if its rattling constantly disturbed a beautiful hike through the mountains with EVERY STEP!
 
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I'll be honest with you. I jumped to conclusions after watching reviews I've seen and I have exaggerated some of these things as a consequence of that. I should've been better than that but I'm only human.
Fair enough.

I never said it was a BAD lens though. Its sharpness and contrast are magnificent. But while heavy vignetting can be corrected for when shooting in relatively good lighting conditions it's really hard when you're shooting low light high ISO scenes as grain will start to creep in if you're trying to brighten up the corners.
Astrophotography panoramas for example would suffer badly.
True. All lenses are about compromise. If the lens had little to no vignetting, it would be bigger, heavier…and most importantly, more expensive. That would reduce unit sales. Canon decides which trade-offs are more likely to be acceptable to the market.

Why does the constant rattling not bother you though? If you're going on a trip and you hear this rattling all day long every day even if the lens is in your backpack I'd be soooo annoyed after a while. Just about every reviewer mentions it. Canon could've surely figured out SOMETHING to stop this constant and very annoying rattling. You don't seem to care about the rattling but even if the lens was an optically perfect 8-240mm f/0.95 lens ( :D ) I would still be annoyed if its rattling constantly disturbed a beautiful hike through the mountains with EVERY STEP!
I haven’t used the 35/1.4 VCM (and I may never do so). But I have hiked up Mt. Etna and across a glacier in the Swiss Alps with a backpack full of RF IS lenses. I’ve carried a messenger bag with three of them through catacombs under Rome. No bother at all.
 
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I would still be annoyed if its rattling constantly disturbed a beautiful hike through the mountains with EVERY STEP!
how much do you bounce around when you walk or hike? Also don't forget the lens would be in your bag, cushioned and not going through the same angular movement and velocity as the reviewers were shaking it.

could canon have done better? yes, and probably the next lens with VCM will have a locking mechanism, but this one will not.
 
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how much do you bounce around when you walk or hike? Also don't forget the lens would be in your bag, cushioned and not going through the same angular movement and velocity as the reviewers were shaking it.

could canon have done better? yes, and probably the next lens with VCM will have a locking mechanism, but this one will not.
You aren't hiking if you're not imparting shock to your legs and body, lol. I have no horse in this race and I haven't even seen videos about the rattling but I've had lenses with OIS and linear motors that did it before. Maybe you're tired of people criticizing based on something that doesn't matter to you personally, but it's silly to act like "bouncing around" isn't normal for a hike, which is always on uneven terrain causing up and down movement, sometimes gently up, sometimes suddenly with a step down. Most of the places I bring my camera are on uneven terrain, but those aren't places I'd bother bringing a fast 35mm - but I might bring a fast 24, or wider, and I can see myself being annoyed if I could hear my lens rattling away during my time in peaceful country.
 
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You aren't hiking if you're not imparting shock to your legs and body, lol. I have no horse in this race and I haven't even seen videos about the rattling but I've had lenses with OIS and linear motors that did it before. Maybe you're tired of people criticizing based on something that doesn't matter to you personally, but it's silly to act like "bouncing around" isn't normal for a hike, which is always on uneven terrain causing up and down movement, sometimes gently up, sometimes suddenly with a step down. Most of the places I bring my camera are on uneven terrain, but those aren't places I'd bother bringing a fast 35mm - but I might bring a fast 24, or wider, and I can see myself being annoyed if I could hear my lens rattling away during my time in peaceful country.

You aren't shaking your camera equipment as much as they are in the videos, if you are, you have larger problems than a rattle. Your body may be moving but you are telling me you are transmitting all that energy and movement to the lens when you are walking? you have shoulder straps, lens partitions, etc. and you have the thing closed up in a bag. If you did, none of us would have been able to use DLSR's for the last 2 decades because it would have thrown them out of alignment. Thirdly, if your body motion is causing the lens to rattle - shift the lens orientation in the bag.....

If we are down to a lens making noise when it's quickly moved in one direction (forward <> backward) and that's a major issue - I really dont' know what to say.
 
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