As expected from a non GM zoom lens. I am talking about GM / L series prime lenses.
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Canon Officially Announces 4 new RF Lenses
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You're absolutely right there's plenty of viable workflows. I've used DPP and the results are great. The iOS version is not free (!) though, and costs 1$ / month.
Disclaimer: exclusively talking about personal / family photos workflow here.
The mandate is because iCloud "Shared Library" is an absolute game changer for personal / family photos. Pictures taken on either phone are all instantly available on both devices, and edits to those photos go through as well. "Favorites" sync as well. Really cool for family sharing. If it works.
Ideally my R5 photos just integrate here. Apple RAW even supports R5 raws natively. I like my life to be easy.
However, the software support just isn't there. Apple RAW is pretty basic and doesn't support corrections, and third-party software that does is not integrated well with Apple's ecosystem.
This will hopefully get better, but it's clearly all not built for pros. If I were one I'd stay far away! E.g. in Apple Photos you can't even delete the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs, it's just not supported, even on macOS.
Same with export/import or duplicating and deleting the old one. Apple Photos is really bad at dealing with this. You lose e.g. the "favorites" tag, album organisation etc, just painful.
It's part of the reason why I mostly shoot JPEGs nowadays (unless e.g. for birds where I might need more). But also the reason for my preference for optical correction, the files are (and will be in the future) slightly easier to deal with.
If all RAW converters (or at least Apple RAW) supported Canon's baked in correction information, I would probably switch to the cheaper, digitally corrected ones as well.
Curiously enough Linux support has improved massively in the past years. Photography people and tech people have a large intersection.
Just using a phone really is a lot easier. Unfortunately (and fortunately for Canon) the quality isn't there yet.
Personally I'd rather just buy slightly more expensive lenses than having to deal with distortions unsupported by my application(s) of choice. Maybe not entirely rational, but it makes sense to me.
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Agreed that it's great. I guess our family is not in so much of a rush that we need to share pictures instantly. The RAWs I shoot get offloaded to my Mac, processed using DxO PhotoLab, and then I move the jpgs into the Photos app.
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hey, if they’re the same sizes, we can go halvsies!Funny, because I'm gonna put a black hood on my white RF 100-500.
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Flaws in optical characteristics can be corrected or even desired, but don't forget that focus on all RF lenses is controlled electronically by wire with proprietary code, so you will not be able to adapt to a next generation (non-canon) mount and expect the lens to work as compared to even the legacy EF lenses. That means these fancy new lenses could end up as heavy bricks in the distant future. Hopefully Canon will keep thriving and such a future never comes to pass.
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ashmadux
Art Director, Visual Artist, Freelance Photography
Well for that yuuge price at leas they were able to get IS in there...I hear its pretty helpful for video (maybe photos too.)
So many..sooo many...always use the excuse (reasoning) the lack of IS is 'always' for budget purposes.
Wait..what? No IS..FOR 1400.00..& extensive corrections?
Smh.
So many..sooo many...always use the excuse (reasoning) the lack of IS is 'always' for budget purposes.
Wait..what? No IS..FOR 1400.00..& extensive corrections?
Smh.
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If you'd allow the little off topic here, I'm curious how your routine is going on with processing general photos.
I'm new to processing and like everything new, it takes me quite some time for a simili-decent result.
So far, I can't really see myself processing dozens of photos in a row if I can say.
I assume for a general/family trip you'd end up with a fair number of photos. Do you have like a preset of processing you adjusted to your liking or do you have key parameters you tweak everytime and that you know by heart or is it just a case by case adjustments ?
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The Sony still requires correction to be of any use to me.
It does look like a lot less but the difference is not personally useful.
I will use software corrections anyway so it is all academic.
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A fair number, but not compared to what some people shoot. I often have in the range of 500-800 images to process. That could be from a half day out shooting birds with the R3 (30 fps bursts) or a two-week family trip with the R8 (slower pace, lots of tripod shots).
My typical workflow is to first triage the shots (in DxO, I just mark the keepers then filter and delete the rest), I have the DxO Standard preset as default and I globally (select all images) add +10 to the black level and +15 vibrance. From there, I go shot by shot and crop/level, adjust exposure and/or shadows/highlights and WB if needed, apply ClearView when it helps, apply more NR for higher ISO (e.g., Prime from 2500-5000 and DeepPrime XD above that). Then export as jpg at 98% quality.
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Thanks for the detailed answer ! I'll try those kind of settings to get a normal/decent result on my shots
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Similar to you but without the auto black level and vibrance. I tend to use DeepPrime XD as default. Do you getter better results by stepping down from XD?
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When it first came out (before, technically), I was not happy with the results at low/mid ISOs. I haven’t tried it outside of high ISOs since the actual release, though.
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I think the most important aspect is the triaging part.Thanks for the detailed answer ! I'll try those kind of settings to get a normal/decent result on my shots
After a 2 weeks trip (like in Italy) I come back with 3-4K images. Granted there are more than a few panos, but regardless it is more than enough
So my workflow is:
- Ingest all images in Lightroom
- Go thru all images and mark the technically correct with 1 star and then delete all of the 0 stars
- Go thru the 1 stars and mark the better ones with 2 stars and then delete all of the 1 stars
- Rinse and repeat until I have a reasonable number of images to process, my threshold is 200
- In ACR I set contrast to +40, highlights to -40 and shadows to +40. Clarity to -20 and Vibrance to -10 for photos where the subject is people, +20 and +10 for all others
- In ACR I do AI Denoise for all image at ISO > 1600 (for other images I use the standard NR to taste)
- Then one by one I crop, tweak exposure and color profile / temperature. I may use gradients on skies and brushes to bright up faces / eyes
- Export to JPEG for sharing
But, again, the most important step is the triaging at the beginning.
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Thanks for sharing your process too !I think the most important aspect is the triaging part.
After a 2 weeks trip (like in Italy) I come back with 3-4K images. Granted there are more than a few panos, but regardless it is more than enough
So my workflow is:
For panoramas it is a similar process till #7 (no cropping) and then Merge in Photoshop
- Ingest all images in Lightroom
- Go thru all images and mark the technically correct with 1 star and then delete all of the 0 stars
- Go thru the 1 stars and mark the better ones with 2 stars and then delete all of the 1 stars
- Rinse and repeat until I have a reasonable number of images to process, my threshold is 200
- In ACR I set contrast to +40, highlights to -40 and shadows to +40. Clarity to -20 and Vibrance to -10 for photos where the subject is people, +20 and +10 for all others
- In ACR I do AI Denoise for all image at ISO > 1600 (for other images I use the standard NR to taste)
- Then one by one I crop, tweak exposure and color profile / temperature. I may use gradients on skies and brushes to bright up faces / eyes
- Export to JPEG for sharing
But, again, the most important step is the triaging at the beginning.
Selecting the keepers is indeed the big task.
I'm more of a holidays shooter than anything so I'm used to take back home thousands of shots in hope to have some great ones.
I usually select the ones I want to keep with the jpegs on the computer before feeding Lightroom but maybe it could be useful to take it into Lightroom directly.
I guess the general process is the same, apply some general tweaks and then adjust one by one to one's preferences.
As a beginner, I feel for now it's a bit hard to realise that there isn't an image "better" than the other just multiple variations of the same with profiles and tweaks that get totally different feelings on the final picture. I'll just have to experiment and find my comfort zone.
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As much as Canon does support bodies and especially lenses for a long time, it would be hard to justify supporting the equivalent of FD lenses 20 years on. Nice if they do but hard to expect a corporation of any sort giving this type of service.
If there was a sufficient demand and the OEM/Canon wouldn't support them, then a 3rd party would step in to fill the gap for a price.
When Canon moves onto a new mount (in 20 years' time!) then then will need to be a migration strategy for the millions of RF lenses in circulation by that time. There could be EF (or FD) lenses still in use then but in minuscule quantities.
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I am similar to roby17269 for #1-4.I think the most important aspect is the triaging part.
After a 2 weeks trip (like in Italy) I come back with 3-4K images. Granted there are more than a few panos, but regardless it is more than enough
So my workflow is:
For panoramas it is a similar process till #7 (no cropping) and then Merge in Photoshop
- Ingest all images in Lightroom
- Go thru all images and mark the technically correct with 1 star and then delete all of the 0 stars
- Go thru the 1 stars and mark the better ones with 2 stars and then delete all of the 1 stars
- Rinse and repeat until I have a reasonable number of images to process, my threshold is 200
- In ACR I set contrast to +40, highlights to -40 and shadows to +40. Clarity to -20 and Vibrance to -10 for photos where the subject is people, +20 and +10 for all others
- In ACR I do AI Denoise for all image at ISO > 1600 (for other images I use the standard NR to taste)
- Then one by one I crop, tweak exposure and color profile / temperature. I may use gradients on skies and brushes to bright up faces / eyes
- Export to JPEG for sharing
But, again, the most important step is the triaging at the beginning.
For sports with up to 60 people to share images with, this can end up with >1000 shots. I then colour code/move images to different folders before distribution - mostly via facebook albums at <400kb.
ACR/LR default at texture/vibrance up, highlights down, shadows up and can have the tone curve bent up for mid tones. Custom cropping of every shot.
PS for unwanted object removal (although LR seems to be getting better now).
Topaz denoise at the end if needed as it is fast in batch processing.
Different workflows for seascapes/waterfalls (gradient filters/PS for layering if needed), underwater (white balance, backscatter, subject masking etc) and milky way/astro landscape has its own distinct process in PS.
Artistic architecture/abstract is a lot more work but fun to play with.
I haven't found presets to be very useful for me but they seem to be advertised a lot. Could be useful for "discovering" new processing options though.
You develop a "style" after a while for how you process.
If you see a photo that you like but don't know how it was done, then a lot of people are happy to share their knowledge unless they are making money from being distinctive.
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No problem
It takes a while for LR to ingest a large quantity of images, but that's a one-off and then you can browse images quickly even at 100%. I was initially a pure "Bridge ACR PS" type of user but eventually LR has won me over for the catalog aspect.
My fashion images get photoshopped to death
so there is an art in "seeing" the potential of an image. For these the "artistic" aspects and technical aspects are both important. Because there are also costs and different team views associated to this, the selection is grueling and takes a longtime. Typically I start with a few hundreds images and whittle them down to 8-12.Kids images (mostly my own daughter, but I am very popular with her friends' parents
since I share photos of their kids when we meet for parties etc.) are just selected and tweaked in ACR. For these I purposely limit the amount of processing to a minimum and the kids' expressions trump any technical considerations and they are easy to triage. But, especially when many kids are involved, I tend to end up with a lot of good images.For travel / wildlife / macro images the amount of photoshopping varies greatly. Panoramas / Brenizer / HDR are time consuming because it is difficult to judge them before they are stitched / merged... and big ones take some time just to do so. The final amount of images may be low (like 1% of the total RAW images), but the number of files that get processed may be significantly higher (I am used to do panoramas of 10+ images)
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Sagital was the word I was lookng for.
What is a Lens MTF Chart & How Do I Read It?
An MTF chart is a measurement used to evaluate the performance of a lens. This article teaches you how to read it.
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Without a legend of what each MTF graph shows, it isn't straight forward to compare them.
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