What’s going on with Canon Speedlites?

I did use the AD-E1 on the R50 and was briefly disconcerted when it didn't work immediately with a 430EX-II. Read instructions and realized my mistake was not shutting down the camera first. It wasn't just a suggestion! Following procedures resulted in proper function.

It does add a little awkward height in terms of ergonomics, but bounce works as expected, of course. Still, on an expensive body with a bigger flash, I'd be a little concerned about stress on the camera's hot-shoe.

The weather sealing, if really important to a photographer, could be accomplished with a wide rubber-band.

Hopefully the R5 II will have the contacts for older flash and various non-Canon triggers. At some point needing yet another adapter will become annoying.
 
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That's the point: why REALLY invest in something that others do better and cheaper? I don't see Canon, or any other camera manufacturer, really interested in putting up money to develop something that is pretty much a small niche.
You have a point here,
my camera store says they sell very very FEW (edited) branded flashes, mostly Godox or Profoto.

While I have huge issues with the RT features of Canon, the 600 ver 2 with an 8 battery power pack as on on camera flash is amazingly good!
 
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I have been on Canon speedlite all this time, and it is disappointing to hear about the speedlite link dropping issues. I would have like a EL-5 with it's battery as I thought that would have faster refresh rate than the 600EX...

Do miss those Made in Japan Speedlites, such as the 600EX-RT. The 600 EX II-RT was Made in China, and the 430EX III-RT was Made in Taiwan... I do not think the country that it was made it matters, but really wished Canon can sort this out and I will just KIV all speedlite purchase still the picture is clearer....

Wanted to try the Profoto A10, but not available locally.... The available accessories with the Profoto A series seems interesting....
 
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Can I mount a new Canon Speedlite with the 21-pin multifunctionshoe on a 5dMkIV or R5?
Is there any kind of adaptor for that? Or am I stocked with my old Speedlites 430, 580\'s as long as they last. If I need a new flash is my only option a new 430 (with old shoe) or a third party flash?
Thanks in advance.
/Martin Frøland
 
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Can I mount a new Canon Speedlite with the 21-pin multifunctionshoe on a 5dMkIV or R5?
Is there any kind of adaptor for that? Or am I stocked with my old Speedlites 430, 580\'s as long as they last. If I need a new flash is my only option a new 430 (with old shoe) or a third party flash?
Thanks in advance.
/Martin Frøland
The new flashes are not backward compatible.
 
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Can I mount a new Canon Speedlite with the 21-pin multifunctionshoe on a 5dMkIV or R5?
Is there any kind of adaptor for that? Or am I stocked with my old Speedlites 430, 580\'s as long as they last. If I need a new flash is my only option a new 430 (with old shoe) or a third party flash?
Thanks in advance.
/Martin Frøland
Just use Godox instead. Canon speedlights are expensive junk; mine Canon 600EX II-RT and Canon 430EX II-RT are dropping signal all the time even after I updated ST-E3-RT to v2.
 
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I like mine too, and, since I dislike flash photography anyway (or have no use for it), the EL 100 is all I need. Small, reliable and lightweight for the rare cases I need a flash.
"Dislike flash photography"? Interesting. Do you specialize in landscape photography? That's the only kind of photography that can generally just depend on "existing sunlight" (Well, mostly. Closeups of flowers, for example, often require flash or other auxiliary lighting.) Photography isn't about "sunlight." Photography is about creating light and using that light correctly to achieve the exact result you need and want to achieve for your client in the exact location and exact setting you want to, or must, work in, not being dependent on "sunlight" or a "lightbulb in the room" to get a "reasonably exposed image." It also gives complete control of your camera, thus complete control of the creative process and complete control over your final product, since you choose what ƒ-stop, ISO and shutter to use, and are not forced to shoot at a wide-open aperture or at high ISO (or both) because "there isn't enough light." There are many great books on lighting, but two of my favorites are both by Roberto Valenzuela, "Picture Perfect Lighting" and "Picture Perfect Flash." I highly recommend them, but in particular the first one. He covers flash lighting techniques in depth and in easy-to-understand diagrams and easy-to-replicate step by step images. As he writes, if you know how to use a flash, your finished product "will be perfectly lit, not just properly exposed." And you'll be in total charge of your images, not the weather.
 
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I did use the AD-E1 on the R50 and was briefly disconcerted when it didn't work immediately with a 430EX-II. Read instructions and realized my mistake was not shutting down the camera first. It wasn't just a suggestion! Following procedures resulted in proper function.

It does add a little awkward height in terms of ergonomics, but bounce works as expected, of course. Still, on an expensive body with a bigger flash, I'd be a little concerned about stress on the camera's hot-shoe.

The weather sealing, if really important to a photographer, could be accomplished with a wide rubber-band.

Hopefully the R5 II will have the contacts for older flash and various non-Canon triggers. At some point needing yet another adapter will become annoying.
With the R5 Mark II being a high end camera. I highly doubt that they would abandon support for their older speedlites. I still use older speedlites and they work just fine for my needs. My 550EX and 420EX work just fine on the R6 Mark II. Along with my newer 470EX-AI & 600EX II-RT speedlites. The only thing with older speedlites is lack of in camera menu support. On the 420EX it allows me to 1st or 2nd/ Rear Curtain sync from the camera menu. Unless HSS has been turned then you can’t change the flash sync from the camera menu. Along with FEC from the camera menu. Which the 550EX allows too. But nothing else can be controlled from the camera menu with that speedlite.
 
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"Dislike flash photography"? Interesting. Do you specialize in landscape photography? That's the only kind of photography that can generally just depend on "existing sunlight" (Well, mostly. Closeups of flowers, for example, often require flash or other auxiliary lighting.) Photography isn't about "sunlight." Photography is about creating light and using that light correctly to achieve the exact result you need and want to achieve for your client in the exact location and exact setting you want to, or must, work in, not being dependent on "sunlight" or a "lightbulb in the room" to get a "reasonably exposed image." It also gives complete control of your camera, thus complete control of the creative process and complete control over your final product, since you choose what ƒ-stop, ISO and shutter to use, and are not forced to shoot at a wide-open aperture or at high ISO (or both) because "there isn't enough light." There are many great books on lighting, but two of my favorites are both by Roberto Valenzuela, "Picture Perfect Lighting" and "Picture Perfect Flash." I highly recommend them, but in particular the first one. He covers flash lighting techniques in depth and in easy-to-understand diagrams and easy-to-replicate step by step images. As he writes, if you know how to use a flash, your finished product "will be perfectly lit, not just properly exposed." And you'll be in total charge of your images, not the weather.
Yes, I dislike flash photography.
Even though I often use a ring-flash for macros, but only when sunlight is absent. And even then, higher ISO can help along with denoise.
Otherwise, I'm mostly into landscape and travel photography. I learned "real" photography (after my Kodak Instamatic years) using rangefinder Leicas and M lenses that could, unlike most Japanese lenses back then, be used fully open. So, flash use didn't interest me, since I didn't really need it in darker environments.
What is photography about? Creating light or using light? Who knows...
Your point of view mustn't necessarily be mine. People are different, so are photographers! :)
 
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Sure, as I thought...Landscape (and Travel) photography... Makes sense. Fair enough - usually doesn't need to make use of auxiliary lighting.


I'm not proposing a "viewpoint". Photography is about "the light." Without it, there is nothing (unless you're into infrared photography.) One can't "disfavor" anything that allows one to create what one wants or needs to create, or forces one to limit how you shoot (wide open, high ISO, low SS) because there "isn't enough light" and so arrive at a different or compromised result...


I think we all agree that an image of a scene taken at 1/30th, ƒ1.8, ISO 1000 is a very different image than the same scene taken at 1/200th, ƒ11, ISO 100. If the former happens to be exactly what one wants, great. Coincidence doesn't occur that much though and most of the time it won't be. And so one decides what settings one wants to use to achieve a particular result, and build it from there with what one needs to achieve that result. (Even for landscape images, there are times the foreground needs more illuminations and the "sun" isn't cooperating so you need to add more light in a particular area with auxiliary lighting.)


Sure, noise/pixelation (aka “graininess”) from high-ISO images can have their artistic place in some circumstances, but it is rare to get a client (or anybody else) who likes and wants “pixelated, grainy images...” over sharp images or softened images via lighting or post. (I suppose for people just viewing images on a tiny iPhone screen, this aspect may not seem important.)


“Open Aperture” has consequences, perhaps the biggest consequence in photography: the difference between something being completely in focus and only partially in focus; or between an important piece of background being included and a distracting background being eliminated. Those choices are given up when aperture is considered only as a source of letting more light into an image just to expose it properly. That’s the secondary effect, not the primary purpose.


I also used some German rangefinders, Rollei in particular, in film days, and got tired of the lack of DOF, and blurriness from pushing the limits of the shutter because "there wasn't enough light" and so used a flash because your options were even more situationally limited with film, pretty much allowing only SS and ƒ-stop adjustments (unless you mid-rolled it and popped in some Tri-X. Film being much slower then - "Tri-X 400" was considered fast!) One was always begging for light almost anytime of the day. So, I too, learned "real photography" back then ('60s and '70s) and it most definitely included using flashes. (Even my first Brownie Hawkeye had a flash bulb attachment.unknown.gifunknown.gif (Expensive little buggers back then:eek:!)


So I’m not suggesting a “viewpoint.” I’m saying that dismissing and not using all the tools at one’s disposal in photography limits one’s ability to create the image that one’s client demands or your mind’s eye wants. Light shouldn’t dictate your end result; your end result should be what you dictated the light - and consequently and importantly aperture - must be - and then created it accordingly.
 
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Sure, as I thought...Landscape (and Travel) photography... Makes sense. Fair enough - usually doesn't need to make use of auxiliary lighting.


I'm not proposing a "viewpoint". Photography is about "the light." Without it, there is nothing (unless you're into infrared photography.) One can't "disfavor" anything that allows one to create what one wants or needs to create, or forces one to limit how you shoot (wide open, high ISO, low SS) because there "isn't enough light" and so arrive at a different or compromised result...


I think we all agree that an image of a scene taken at 1/30th, ƒ1.8, ISO 1000 is a very different image than the same scene taken at 1/200th, ƒ11, ISO 100. If the former happens to be exactly what one wants, great. Coincidence doesn't occur that much though and most of the time it won't be. And so one decides what settings one wants to use to achieve a particular result, and build it from there with what one needs to achieve that result. (Even for landscape images, there are times the foreground needs more illuminations and the "sun" isn't cooperating so you need to add more light in a particular area with auxiliary lighting.)


Sure, noise/pixelation (aka “graininess”) from high-ISO images can have their artistic place in some circumstances, but it is rare to get a client (or anybody else) who likes and wants “pixelated, grainy images...” over sharp images or softened images via lighting or post. (I suppose for people just viewing images on a tiny iPhone screen, this aspect may not seem important.)


“Open Aperture” has consequences, perhaps the biggest consequence in photography: the difference between something being completely in focus and only partially in focus; or between an important piece of background being included and a distracting background being eliminated. Those choices are given up when aperture is considered only as a source of letting more light into an image just to expose it properly. That’s the secondary effect, not the primary purpose.


I also used some German rangefinders, Rollei in particular, in film days, and got tired of the lack of DOF, and blurriness from pushing the limits of the shutter because "there wasn't enough light" and so used a flash because your options were even more situationally limited with film, pretty much allowing only SS and ƒ-stop adjustments (unless you mid-rolled it and popped in some Tri-X. Film being much slower then - "Tri-X 400" was considered fast!) One was always begging for light almost anytime of the day. So, I too, learned "real photography" back then ('60s and '70s) and it most definitely included using flashes. (Even my first Brownie Hawkeye had a flash bulb attachment.View attachment 221024View attachment 221023 (Expensive little buggers back then:eek:!)


So I’m not suggesting a “viewpoint.” I’m saying that dismissing and not using all the tools at one’s disposal in photography limits one’s ability to create the image that one’s client demands or your mind’s eye wants. Light shouldn’t dictate your end result; your end result should be what you dictated the light - and consequently and importantly aperture - must be - and then created it accordingly.
What if I want light to dictate MY end result?
What if I don't want to dictate?
What if I don't want to use a tripod?
What if I don't want to use any existing focal length or available aperture?
Isn't it my choice, after all?
Isn't photography "writing with light" and not generating it?
You seem to delve in photographic theories, I'm ok with this. But you seem to forget that some of the very best photographers simply rejected them (I'm not speaking of myself, obviously).
"La meilleure des regles est de ne pas en avoir".
PS: Which Rollei rangefinder cameras are you speaking of? Never heard of any, unless you mean Rollei merely as brandname put on some obscure Cosinas).
 
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Canon changed the flash hot shoe in the worse timing possible... EL-1 is using traditional, which should have been digital like EL-5 as well.

Which leaves R RP R5 R6 in the dust... And the adapter is too expensive for what it is.
"Canon changed the flash hot shoe in the worse timing possible..." Agreed!

In a larger sense, business wise, this points to a fundamental and complete breakdown between the marketing division and product development, and ultimately, senior leadership - very senior leadership - that doesn't appear to know what's going on with the divisions they are ostensibly in charge of. Who's running the show here? It isn't apparent.

Fortunately, I can take some comfort in that for a Japanese company who has lost face in the market by such a stupid move, somebody will be forced to retire and, unlike with American companies, won't be taking a few million dollar "retirement bonus" with them. In a previous generations in days gone by, for a mistake like this, the senior guy responsible would be quickly shown the window.*



*yes, the window (usually of the 10th floor or higher,) not "the door." BIG nuance here...
 
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Canon changed the flash hot shoe in the worse timing possible... EL-1 is using traditional, which should have been digital like EL-5 as well.

Which leaves R RP R5 R6 in the dust... And the adapter is too expensive for what it is.
I agree, but to be clear the EL-1 works just fine without an adapter on all of the bodies you list. The adapter is only required if you want to use the flash in the rain, with an adequately sealed camera.

The EL-5 does not work on older bodies. If the EL-1 had the new shoe, pro users would rightly complain that Canon was forcing them to buy a new camera, and pros using a 1D-series body would rightly complain that there wasn’t even a compatible 1-series body for them to buy.
 
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What if I want light to dictate MY end result?
What if I don't want to dictate?
What if I don't want to use a tripod?
What if I don't want to use any existing focal length or available aperture?
Isn't it my choice, after all?
Isn't photography "writing with light" and not generating it?
You seem to delve in photographic theories, I'm ok with this. But you seem to forget that some of the very best photographers simply rejected them (I'm not speaking of myself, obviously).
"La meilleure des regles est de ne pas en avoir".
PS: Which Rollei rangefinder cameras are you speaking of? Never heard of any, unless you mean Rollei merely as brandname put on some obscure Cosinas).
Indeed, sir. You are absolutely correct. Any person can pick up a camera and just use it in any way and if they are personally satisfied with the results for them, then voîla!, they then have a result that is good for them personally and who's to argue that they aren't satisfied with it? After all, that's what the "A" is for on the camera settings. Absolutely agree.

I don't know which "very best photographers" use/d cameras this way - I know for sure some one like Ansel Adams isn't one as I've read many of his books over the years and he never mentions this as it's rather the antithesis of his work and teachings- but since I don't know every best photographer, or what constitutes this particular definition of "best photographers," I'm happy to agree with you that there must be some kind of "best photographers" (broadening the term "photographer" here rather widely) out there who do reject all basic photography theory, concepts, techniques and rules in their work. Of course, that would mean, like any artistic master in the last 2,000+ years in any field in the East or West, they are in fact masters of ALL the theory, concepts, techniques and rules and as masters, they then know which ones to counter, break with or leave out and when and why and how to do so. And since I'm in full agreement with you here then, there's not much more to say on this subject, mom ami. Au revoir.
 
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