What makes you so certain of that?
They do both.
Your quote was incomplete. What I wrote is: "There is also one certainty: Sony and Nikon don't make money with 3rd. party lenses, apart from selling a few more bodies to people wanting specific Tamrons or Sigmas or with license fees."
I’m surprised to see no comments on this, it’s the most confident prediction I’ve seen anywhere after lots of looking (and news many of us are hoping for).
Sony had to open their mount in the early days - especially to support Canon lenses otherwise no one would buy the bodies which had the better sensors in them. They had no choice. Early switchers battled on with their metabones adapters which mostly worked but sometimes didn't until there was decent native lenses.
It’s clear how you’re ‘looking’ at it.
It is easy for anyone to point to corporate failings in hindsight with 20-20 vision (even if blind in this case!It’s clear how you’re ‘looking’ at it.
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It’s funny, but also a bit pathetic, that you seem to think cameras costing >$2000 are major drivers of market share.
The only relevant thing on the Canon side was the discontinuation of the M series. The M series was pruned back in 2022 leaving just the M50 II (and only the double zoom kit of that), and the line was terminated in 2023. No new M lenses were launched after 2018. The R50 came out in early 2023, and cheapest R body (R100) didn’t launch until mid-2023.
If you want to look for a reason for the slight drop in market share in 2022-23, look at Canon discontinuing the line which at one point represented 17% of all ILCs sold globally. And consider that in doing so, they actually lost very little market share as people started buying APS-C R bodies instead. Or just keep those black-glass lenses in front of your eyes.
Canon is forecasting a 49% ILC share in 2024. That increase is because of the R1, right?
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Perceived missteps, I like that. Like the examples from @Uneternal above…It is easy for anyone to point to corporate failings in hindsight with 20-20 vision (even if blind in this case!
That Canon has managed to achieve what they have - at least in unit sale market share - is remarkable despite lots of perceived missteps.
OM is zombie Olympus.
You’re welcome.
The only numbers @Uneternal provided compared 2022 total digital camera sales to 2023 MILC sales and used that irrelevant comparison to draw a baseless conclusion. Oh, and two years of total camera sales carefully cherry-picked to support an opinion. IMO, those factors are worth considering when weighing the soundness of someone’s reasoning. YMMV.
He wasn't talking about that, he was talking about my timeline.
Your timeline that includes a screenshot of my numbers? Oh, ok…that makes oodles of sense because your timeline was chock-full of numbers.
It’s not about a difference of opinion…it’s about misinterpretation of facts. When people make ridiculous statements, ridicule sometimes follows. We may disagree about whether Canon or Nikon makes better cameras, and that’s fine. But if you claim that Nikon sells more cameras than Canon and try to support that claim with the sales data from Bob’s House of Cameras in Kalamazoo for the month of August, then you’re being ridiculous.
