The data doesn’t refute my statement. It’s more likely that the people who buy 1-2 lenses don’t stick with the hobby.Last year there were 9.6 million lenses and 7.7 million ILCs shipped (CIPA data). That’s a 1.25:1 ratio of lenses to bodies, and given that most body sales are entry-level kits with 1-2 lenses, the data refute your statement. Instead, it appears there are a larger number of camera buyers who purchase the body with 1-2 kit lenses then never buy another lens, and a smaller number of camera buyers who buy many lenses.
Obviously, those in the latter group will have different budgets. Canon has ample market data to drive their prioritization of lenses. Also, as I’ve pointed out before, the motivations of the company that dominates the market and companies that don’t are different. Companies that are a distant #2 and/or #3 are often better served by making products the #1 company isn’t making.
No, you’re reading what you want to. The 200-800 is ultimately still a slow lens and the image quality at the long end isn’t great.I see. So first, Canon doesn’t offer anything in between the 800/11 and the 800/5.6. But now you acknowledge they do, in fact, offer an ‘in between’ option in terms of both cost and speed…you just don’t find it interesting. I repeat…mmmmmmkay.
As I stated earlier in this thread, I might ultimately do that. But I’d prefer not to and am holding out a small sliver of hope canon reintroduces DO lenses to compete in that segment.I don’t think you have to be locked into the Canon ecosystem if you don’t want to be. I shoot multiple systems (Canon included) and I am very happy doing so.
If the 800/6.3 is really what you want, you can get a used “like new” Z8 for $3400 and a used copy of that lens for $5200 for an all-in cost of $8600 on MPB today.
Great for you, but that setup weighs nearly twice as much as the Nikon lens in question. That’s a big difference in hand hold ability. Even more so when you consider the weight distribution of the ef ii + extender isn’t great.Same here. I have no need, since I have a very nice 840mm f/5.6 birding lens (600/4 II + 1.4xIII) that a can handhold.
What the numbers mean is that only a small fraction of ILC users buy additional lenses. Neither you nor I have any data on how many camera buyers use their cameras frequently. But considering the cost of cameras relative to incomes, it seems reasonable that most people who do use their cameras don’t buy many additional lenses. When they do, the popularity of the 50/1.8 lenses suggests that’s one of the commonly-purchased second/third lenses.The data doesn’t refute my statement. It’s more likely that the people who buy 1-2 lenses don’t stick with the hobby.
I have not suggested that, even remotely. It does appear they make few of them, if they made many then most likely they would have failed to maintain their market dominance. Compare to Nikon.Just because canon is the leader currently doesn’t mean they can’t make mistakes or bad decisions.
I read what you stated – seems like you need a reminder:No, you’re reading what you want to. The 200-800 is ultimately still a slow lens and the image quality at the long end isn’t great.
A zoom lens that offers 800/9 and costs $1900 is certainly another option, and fits in between the 800/11 and the 800/5.6. Period.I don’t see it as any sillier than offering a $1000 f/11 lens and a $18000 F/5.6 lens as the only available options.
Yes, it is great for me. No where did I state or imply that it would be great for anyone else. Unlike you, I’m not in the habit of making claims about what everyone else does or should do.Great for you, but that setup weighs nearly twice as much as the Nikon lens in question. That’s a big difference in hand hold ability. Even more so when you consider the weight distribution of the ef ii + extender isn’t great.
So long as it doesn’t bust your budget, I say get what you want from Nikon and go take photos. Life’s too short to wait for the possibility of Canon maybe releasing something at an undetermined time in the future.As I stated earlier in this thread, I might ultimately do that. But I’d prefer not to and am holding out a small sliver of hope canon reintroduces DO lenses to compete in that segment.
Which of these is in production? When did ef versions go out of production?Sigma RF 70mm f/2.8 Macro ART
Sigma RF 105mm f/2.8 Macro ART
Sigma RF 150mm f/2.8 Macro ART
Sigma RF 180mm f/2.8 Macro ART
Canon is to expensive and not better.
I would take either of those lenses, assuming reasonable size/weight.RF 20-70 F4
RF 14 1.8
These are the two sony lenses i really regret not having on EOS R system. I would sell 24-105 for 20-70 in a heartbeat.
I think that’s what the Sigma RF-S line is supposed to be for.some affordable f1.4 primes for rf-s !!!!! we had them for the m50, what's the hold up! I want a 16,22,32 is that too much of an ask?