Canon: Possibility of a Retro Camera

Now add the name "New F-1" and you had a period when your store could have in stock both a new F-1 and a New F-1 at very different prices. You could even have a new F-1 that wasn't a New F-1 and a New F-1 that wasn't new F-1 in the used case.
Such a mess would never have happened with the Ford Edsel. Not one car company would have thought of naming its new product Edsel 1...
Why Canon named their camera F1, I'll never understand. Just a silly idea, Nikon's reaction was 100% to be expected.
Yet, the camera was a great piece of engineering, maybe a bit over the top (first mechanical edition). They cannot have made much money with it, but they got a foot in the professional door...
 
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Yet, the camera was a great piece of engineering, maybe a bit over the top (first mechanical edition). They cannot have made much money with it, but they got a foot in the professional door...
I don't see how you think it was "over the top". It was competitive and nothing more. As to making money, there was a lot of money made. Enough to pay for also having a full suite of professional accessories that was needed to be competitive as a full system camera. That investment in a full system is why Canon moved from "one of the other four" against Nikon to an actual competitor unlike the half-hearted systems from Pentax (with their LX), Minolta (with their XK) and Olympus (with their OM family) who all produced system cameras but didn't create the system.
 
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I don't see how you think it was "over the top". It was competitive and nothing more. As to making money, there was a lot of money made. Enough to pay for also having a full suite of professional accessories that was needed to be competitive as a full system camera. That investment in a full system is why Canon moved from "one of the other four" against Nikon to an actual competitor unlike the half-hearted systems from Pentax (with their LX), Minolta (with their XK) and Olympus (with their OM family) who all produced system cameras but didn't create the system.
By over the top, I meant its extreme mechanical complexity. Canon even boasted it used more parts than any existing camera. They even named a huge number in an ad. Unfortunately I'm unable to quote that number (1000?, 10000?). * Was it necessary? The competition achieved identical performance with less parts. And the "new" F1 was based on a simpler mechanical design.
But I'm still not convinced they made lots of money, especially when compared to Nikon's F and F2. Much more of course than LX or XM.
* If you are patient, early September I'll take a look at my archives, hoping to find the right number.
 
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By over the top, I meant its extreme mechanical complexity. Canon even boasted it used more parts than any existing camera. They even named a huge number in an ad.
It certainly wasn't significantly more complex than the Nikon F2. I wonder if that was a launch ad that came out between the launch of the Canon F-1 in the Spring and the launch of the Nikon F2 that Fall and compared the Canon F-1 with the simpler, and twelve years older, Nikon F.
 
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It certainly wasn't significantly more complex than the Nikon F2. I wonder if that was a launch ad that came out between the launch of the Canon F-1 in the Spring and the launch of the Nikon F2 that Fall and compared the Canon F-1 with the simpler, and twelve years older, Nikon F.
No matter, both cameras were great, yet I dreamt of the F2, anf eventually bought it. But I bitterly missed the Leicaflex' selective metering, and sold the Nikon.
Eternal regrets. Someday, I'm gonna buy the F2 and the F1, provided I find them in absolute mint condition.
 
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By over the top, I meant its extreme mechanical complexity. Canon even boasted it used more parts than any existing camera. They even named a huge number in an ad. Unfortunately I'm unable to quote that number (1000?, 10000?). * Was it necessary? The competition achieved identical performance with less parts. And the "new" F1 was based on a simpler mechanical design.
But I'm still not convinced they made lots of money, especially when compared to Nikon's F and F2. Much more of course than LX or XM.
* If you are patient, early September I'll take a look at my archives, hoping to find the right number.
The F1 had more than 10000 parts: “The complexity of this camera knows no bounds, it is a monster of a camera with over 10,000 working parts.”

Source: https://www.japancamerahunter.com/2011/08/the-canon-f1/
 
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The F1 had more than 10000 parts: “The complexity of this camera knows no bounds, it is a monster of a camera with over 10,000 working parts.”

Source: https://www.japancamerahunter.com/2011/08/the-canon-f1/
Thanks! This was also what I was convinced of, thus "over the top". But a fascinating task for the poor repair staff! :p
I still own an original brochure at my mother's place, maybe I'll send it to an auction for millions and millions?*
Next year,I'll travel to Japan. Perhaps there'll be an F1 in my luggage on the flight back? I must get one!
And an f2...
* CHF, nothing else.
 
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Eternal regrets. Someday, I'm gonna buy the F2 and the F1, provided I find them in absolute mint condition.
The one I still might track down is the Pentax LX but really just because they had one really strange accessory that I never saw anyone else make, I never saw outside the brochure and has intrigued me since it was announced. Along with the normal attachable Accessory Grip B that screwed into the front of the camera, they offered the Accessory Grip A that was designed to be carved to fit the user's fingers.
 
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The one I still might track down is the Pentax LX but really just because they had one really strange accessory that I never saw anyone else make, I never saw outside the brochure and has intrigued me since it was announced. Along with the normal attachable Accessory Grip B that screwed into the front of the camera, they offered the Accessory Grip A that was designed to be carved to fit the user's fingers.
The LX came too late for Pentax, even though it was a very interesting camera. A good one isn't easy to find nowadays, since it didn't sell well, at least not in Europe. I never saw one in a shop...
Competing with the Nikon Fs was very hard, also because they had more lenses than anyone else, especially the ones for specific uses. Pentax lacked too many "extreme" lenses to be considered an equal to Nikon. Not even Canon had a similarly complete lens collection.
PS: What about a Contax AX? Something very special...
 
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Competing with the Nikon Fs was very hard, also because they had more lenses than anyone else, especially the ones for specific uses.
Canon learned some of that lesson with the Canonflex in 1959. There they shipped a full "System Camera" only a month after Nikon shipped the Nikon F. Canon, however, didn't have the rest of the system ready.

Although it shipped with virtually no FL mount lenses, the FD lenses were available, they shipped a massive suite of FL lenses within the first year and this time they also shipped a full set of system accessories the same time as the camera.
 
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I film camera would be very welcome, love my 1V. A dream would be a rugged and weather sealed rf mount film camera.
I think this will remain a dream. Canon surely never will return to film cameras, that's too much a niche market. I think film shooters (I love to do it) have to rely on vintage cameras, some companies specialized on servicing them, and maybe a successfully launched start-up that makes a new camera with one of the most established mounts (that would be most likely Nikon's F and Canon's FD-Mount). So far, every attempt for a crowd-funded film DSLR start-up ended quickly after a short hype in the net.
 
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Nikon Zf is why.
Nikon's Zf seems to be an ergonomic horror, according to comments in the net I read about this camera, users even struggle to switch between auto and fixed ISO. As an old FM-2 user for me this is another example why those retro cameras are :poop:. The FM-2 was a simple to use camera (if you knew the basics of classical photography), so skilled photographer could shoot quite fast with it for a manual focusing mechanical camera. So the Zf has nothing in common with the FM-2, despite Nikon's fancy ads.

It is a matter of taste, but I personally hate retro digital cameras, because they fake what they aren't. Plus, they have no pronounced grip or anything about ergonomics that was invented since the era of "classical" industrial design in the 1960s and 1970s, and that really helped to make shooting easier. But that's my personal viewpoint: if I want to shoot the "retro" way, I prefer to grab one of my original cameras, load a film and have the full experience of that era of photography, including all its twists, edges and the fun of waiting until the image is developed.
 
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- Nostalgia
- “Retro” is trendy now
I thought "retro" was a trend more than a decade back, when Olympus and later Nikon came out with their retro style cameras. The top wheel stack "pyramids" of the Nikon DF really impressed me! Always had the impression that the engineers who created that ergonomic nightmare may have been on a horror trip from illegal substances... ;)
 
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I thought "retro" was a trend more than a decade back, when Olympus and later Nikon came out with their retro style cameras.
People thought it was a fad when Nikon produced the Df. Likely including Nikon. It sold and kept selling.
They brought out the Z fc. It sold and keeps selling even though it sells for more than the Z 50 its based on.
By the time they brought out the Z f after a decade of good sales it was pretty obvious that the "Retro interchangeable lens camera" wasn't a fad but a profitable niche.
 
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People thought it was a fad when Nikon produced the Df. Likely including Nikon. It sold and kept selling.
They brought out the Z fc. It sold and keeps selling even though it sells for more than the Z 50 its based on.
By the time they brought out the Z f after a decade of good sales it was pretty obvious that the "Retro interchangeable lens camera" wasn't a fad but a profitable niche.
So we can conclude: give the people wot they want ;) As a classical design fan (Dieter Rams!) I personally prefer the old "form follows function" rule, so when I want a vintage style camera in my hands I always would take the real thing, not a body wrapped around a digital computer that pretents to be what it isn't. Indeed, I will do that tomorrow, my New Mamiya 6 waits to be loaded with some rolls of film :cool:. But that's my personal approach of course, luckily we all are free to enjoy photography the way we want ... have always good light!
 
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