Canon: Possibility of a Retro Camera

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Del Paso said:
Absolutely correct, sir! :)
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Hey. I'm old. I remember the M-1 / OM-1 fiasco and the confusion over the F-1 vs F-1 vs New F-1.

I worked in a pro-level camera shop at the time and you can imagine just how much fun it was explaining to an F-1 user that they couldn't use an accessory designed for the F-1 on their F-1 because they owned an F-1 and not an F-1 but that they could trade in their F-1 for an F-1 if they liked.
 
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MikeGalos said:
Hey. I'm old. I remember the M-1 / OM-1 fiasco and the confusion over the F-1 vs F-1 vs New F-1.

I worked in a pro-level camera shop at the time and you can imagine just how much fun it was explaining to an F-1 user that they couldn't use an accessory for their F-1 because they owned an F-1 and not an F-1 but that they could trade in their F-1 for an F-1 if they liked.
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I remember well. It certainly was a bit costly for Olympus, because, if I'm well informed, they had already printed lots of brochures...
Nowadays, making an M1, M2 or M3 is no longer an issue, it seems. But an M9-10-11? I doubt it!
PS: the M3 is, by a huge margin, the best made film camera of all times. Those doubting my assertion should disassemble an M3* (the real thing), they'll surely change their mind.
* Or simply listen to the shutter's "swoosh & click". ;)
 
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Del Paso said:
PS: the M3 is, by a huge margin, the best made film camera of all times. Those doubting my assertion should disassemble an M3* (the real thing), they'll surely change their mind.
* Or simply listen to the shutter's "swoosh & click". ;)
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Have you ever disassembled a Leicaflex (not the Minolta ones but the original ones)? Terrible to use but maybe even more of what you mean than the M3.
 
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MikeGalos said:
Have you ever disassembled a Leicaflex (not the Minolta ones but the original ones)? Terrible to use but maybe even more of what you mean than the M3.
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Yes, I did, but not fully! I disliked the microprism focusing help. So, I ordered a full matte screen to replace it on my SL and SL2. Also, the removal of the bottom plate (shutter bounce!) was almost perverse, counter-rotating the tripod screw with a square tool to remove it. And yes, the Leicaflex is a wonderful piece of engineering too! I'll never sell mine.
Leica has always built in many "traps". Finding the hidden screws is almost a society game... ;)
What I refuse to touch are the M lenses, the worms screws are quite fragile (I learnt the hard way).
My "Minolta" Leica Rs were a different story. Whatever was made of plastic fell off, sooner or later. But they were quite reliable, with the exception of the R4 with its horrible British made Ferranti electronics. Fortunately, I bought the R 4 S2 which was ok, except for the Eumig made winder and motor drive (screws into cheap plastic...).
 
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Del Paso said:
I remember well. It certainly was a bit costly for Olympus, because, if I'm well informed, they had already printed lots of brochures...
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More the cost of recalling the cameras that hadn't sold yet, unboxing them, replacing everything that said M rather than OM, removing the top plates on the camera bodies that had the wrong name but the right serial number, replacing those with the new plate with the correct name and serial number, repacking the packages and sending the updated packages out to the correct dealers and warehouses.

I suspect they just crushed them to save money.
 
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Del Paso said:
I remember well. It certainly was a bit costly for Olympus, because, if I'm well informed, they had already printed lots of brochures...
Nowadays, making an M1, M2 or M3 is no longer an issue, it seems. But an M9-10-11? I doubt it!
PS: the M3 is, by a huge margin, the best made film camera of all times. Those doubting my assertion should disassemble an M3* (the real thing), they'll surely change their mind.
* Or simply listen to the shutter's "swoosh & click". ;)
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I Just took a look and the price for an M3 in good or better condition is not bad at all. I can't remember, do you have any favorite lenses for the mount?
 
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MikeGalos said:
What's been amusing is that after this discussion and the one about Olympus having to rename the M-1 to OM-1, I am suddenly getting Leica ads for the M series. That ad algorithms are entertaining and specific.
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I like when after I buy something online, I eith get ads about the same online store, the same product or completely silly both! I feel bad that the company's pay google to advertise something that doesn't need advertising for me...
 
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EricN said:
I Just took a look and the price for an M3 in good or better condition is not bad at all. I can't remember, do you have any favorite lenses for the mount?
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Attention: there might be hidden traps you won't discover without some "M" knowledge. If you are a Leica M novice, I'd strongly suggest buying such a camera from a good friend or a reputed dealer offering a warranty.
Favorite lenses? A matter of $...
I do not know of any bad ones, but, basically, the recent ones are always better than the older ones, but also more expensive. I guess a Summicron 2/35 asph. or a Summicron 2/50 non-asph. represent an excellent value. Pay attention (not only for Leica lenses!) to fungus and (2/28 asph.) to a loose lens group. Easily detectable!
PS: best quality +value 35mm I know is the latest 35 f/1,4 asph. In case money is really abundant, even better: Apo 35 f/2 + Apo 50/f2 + Apo 90/f2!
 
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MikeGalos said:
Hey. I'm old. I remember the M-1 / OM-1 fiasco and the confusion over the F-1 vs F-1 vs New F-1.

I worked in a pro-level camera shop at the time and you can imagine just how much fun it was explaining to an F-1 user that they couldn't use an accessory designed for the F-1 on their F-1 because they owned an F-1 and not an F-1 but that they could trade in their F-1 for an F-1 if they liked.
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Now add the name "New F-1" and you had a period when your store could have in stock both a new F-1 and a New F-1 at very different prices. You could even have a new F-1 that wasn't a New F-1 and a New F-1 that wasn't new F-1 in the used case.
 
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