The “3 Series” to continue after the EOS R3?

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Canon Rumors Guy said:
If a 3 series camera is slated for early 2026, I doubt much development has significantly progressed.

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That's got to be the most inaccurate part of the story. Why? Work with me.
Q1 2026 - Cameras are being made in factories for consumers, etc
Q3-Q4 2025 - Cameras are in the hands of field testing. Main development cycle has finished.
Q1-Q2 2025 - New R3 final touches for build are ironed out, firmware testing completes, ready for beta testing, testing of firmware with sensor, etc.

Where are we now? Q4 2024

Right now Canon should be finalising the motherboard design, valdating that, firmware dev in final stages.

if you've got a different timeline, I'm interested, but if the R3 is on product slideware for 2026, development has already begun and is underway. Unless you want to claim that Canon can build a new MILC in less than 6 months.
 
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#83
Toamelicious said:
I gotta say... Do people really think switching cameras every two years would be desirable?
Maybe I'm just weird and stupid, but when I switch cameras, you have to give me very darn good reason to, because that process suuuucks ass.
Learning a new button layout, getting to know new menues, developing a new workflow within the new functions... Takes weeks for me to really find my way with a new camera. Just made that transition with the R5II. If you were to release a potential replacement in 2026, you'd have to give me godly features to make me switch again.
And I don't even rely on my ability to work fast and accurate with my camera, to make money.
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I agree with you. A survey by Aftershoot among 500 professional photographers states that most professional photographers do not spend more that $1000 $ per year on equipment. So those are not likely to buy a new pro camera every two years either.

See: https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...end-less-than-1000-a-year-on-photography-gear
 
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P-visie said:
I agree with you. A survey by Aftershoot among 500 professional photographers states that most professional photographers do not spend more that $1000 $ per year on equipment. So those are not likely to buy a new pro camera every two years either.

See: https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...end-less-than-1000-a-year-on-photography-gear
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Not sure how representative such a survey is. I suspect Canon (and other manufacturers) have better information. But it does reinforce the idea that the real money to be made is from the enthusiast market. However, the survey does not seem to include agency photographers...folks who do not buy their own gear.
 
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Diko said:
I agree that there is not much to differentiate between R1 & R5 as of the moment unless new tech (e.g. spatial sensors for better depth of field (e.g. Dual Pixel but with wider gap) or similiar) and or new CMOS sensor on the horizon and use the R3 as a test bed model for that.
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It is about the built quality.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Not sure how representative such a survey is. I suspect Canon (and other manufacturers) have better information. But it does reinforce the idea that the real money to be made is from the enthusiast market. However, the survey does not seem to include agency photographers...folks who do not buy their own gear.
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I think the well-heeled enthusiast market is important.

I have met a few pro fashion photographers (given my inclinations - some that shoot for the big magazines) and I was always the one with the better gear. No pros would own MF gear, they would rent that occasionally or be given loaners for ad purposes. One pro who regularly shoots for Vogue and Bazaar uses a Canon 5d mkIV. She told me she used to use Hasselblad MF but the maintenance costs had become too high for her.

Granted, fashion photography is pretty niche, and in fashion photography the camera is probably the least important piece of gear... lenses are a tiny bit more important, lightning is much more important and quality of the people and styling are way more important
 
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roby17269 said:
I think the well-heeled enthusiast market is important.

I have met a few pro fashion photographers (given my inclinations - some that shoot for the big magazines) and I was always the one with the better gear. No pros would own MF gear, they would rent that occasionally or be given loaners for ad purposes. One pro who regularly shoots for Vogue and Bazaar uses a Canon 5d mkIV. She told me she used to use Hasselblad MF but the maintenance costs had become too high for her.

Granted, fashion photography is pretty niche, and in fashion photography the camera is probably the least important piece of gear... lenses are a tiny bit more important, lightning is much more important and quality of the people and styling are way more important
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I have the same experience with photo trips: the participants have more of the latest gear than the professional photographer who leads these trips.
However: having the latest and greatest gear does not result in better images than the professional ;).
 
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P-visie said:
I have the same experience with photo trips: the participants have more of the latest gear than the professional photographer who leads these trips.
However: having the latest and greatest gear does not result in better images than the professional ;).
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So true: my blurb did not intend to imply that my photos were better than the pros! :oops:
 
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In the film world, the EOS 3 was a technology showcase, same UX, but not quite as rugged a body as the nearly bullet-proof EOS 1v (the 3 was claimed to be equivalent to the 1n). But it also displaced the EOS 5. Let's assume that EOS 1(x) will always be the absolute top of the range. If they're maintaining both a 3 and a 5 series in digital, there has to be enough of a difference between all three series to justify it.
 
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P-visie said:
I have the same experience with photo trips: the participants have more of the latest gear than the professional photographer who leads these trips.
However: having the latest and greatest gear does not result in better images than the professional ;).
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Ultimately, the participants have a lot of disposable income for both gear and the cost of the workshop.
Workshop pricing is getting out of hand now but I get the time/effort to set it up and pay a reasonable income. The workshop would need to be very special eg access to locations where you can't normally go etc, to warrant serious consideration from me rather than planning it myself for instance.
 
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David - Sydney said:
The workshop would need to be very special eg access to locations where you can't normally go etc, to warrant serious consideration from me rather than planning it myself for instance.
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We've always preferred self-planned trips rather than packages/workshops. It generally allows more flexibility and saves money. Sometimes there are other benefits beyond those. When my wife and I want to eastern Africa many years ago, one thing we wanted to do was see mountain gorillas. Rather than go through one of the safari outfits, I called Parc National des Volcans directly – they told me they didn't sell tickets directly, and referred me to a local guide. We booked through him, and it was a great experience. The evening before we went to see the gorillas, he asked if he could bring a friend to our hotel for drinks, and we said sure. His friend turned out to be the head of the national park service for Rwanda, and it was a very interesting conversation!

The next day, we went to the park where the usual procedure was that all guests were entered into a (closed-door) lottery for which of the five gorilla groups they would try to find. We drew the Susa Group, the group that Dian Fossey worked with and the best-habituated one. Somehow, I don't think the drawing was random (our guide had a word with the park staff before the drawing), especially since we got to spend our full hour with the Susa groups and several of the other groups weren't even found by the guides.
 
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David_B said:
That's got to be the most inaccurate part of the story. Why? Work with me.
Q1 2026 - Cameras are being made in factories for consumers, etc
Q3-Q4 2025 - Cameras are in the hands of field testing. Main development cycle has finished.
Q1-Q2 2025 - New R3 final touches for build are ironed out, firmware testing completes, ready for beta testing, testing of firmware with sensor, etc.
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yeah I re-wrote that and left Craig's intent alone instead of taking it right out.
it takes 3-4 years for a 1 series camera body from time of inception to mass production. but that was back in the days of when the 1 series frame was carved out of wood as a test case of it's ergonomics.

so they'd be about a year into the process.

it doesn't take them nearly as long you as you suggest in their timeline.
 
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Richard CR said:
yeah I re-wrote that and left Craig's intent alone instead of taking it right out.
it takes 3-4 years for a 1 series camera body from time of inception to mass production. but that was back in the days of when the 1 series frame was carved out of wood as a test case of it's ergonomics.

so they'd be about a year into the process.

it doesn't take them nearly as long you as you suggest in their timeline.
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Having one of the old 1-series frames as a wooden model would be an interesting item to have.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
We've always preferred self-planned trips rather than packages/workshops. It generally allows more flexibility and saves money. Sometimes there are other benefits beyond those. When my wife and I want to eastern Africa many years ago, one thing we wanted to do was see mountain gorillas. Rather than go through one of the safari outfits, I called Parc National des Volcans directly – they told me they didn't sell tickets directly, and referred me to a local guide. We booked through him, and it was a great experience. The evening before we went to see the gorillas, he asked if he could bring a friend to our hotel for drinks, and we said sure. His friend turned out to be the head of the national park service for Rwanda, and it was a very interesting conversation!

The next day, we went to the park where the usual procedure was that all guests were entered into a (closed-door) lottery for which of the five gorilla groups they would try to find. We drew the Susa Group, the group that Dian Fossey worked with and the best-habituated one. Somehow, I don't think the drawing was random (our guide had a word with the park staff before the drawing), especially since we got to spend our full hour with the Susa groups and several of the other groups weren't even found by the guides.
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I went to Africa twice (Kenya and SA) and the guide / ranger do indeed make a big difference.
We like self-planned trips as well but in some places it is either mandated and / or more effective to have local help - like in Peru (loved that trip) we did most by ourselves but for the multi-day hike to Machu Picchu you are required to have a guide and we had a good one that made the whole experience great (assuming you do not mind too much giant hairy spiders that are everywhere :eek::ROFLMAO: )
 
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