Canon EOS R3 Mark II planned for 2025

Robert Stone said:

I guarantee that if an R1s came out, it would sell like hotcakes.

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If that were true, why hasn’t Canon made one? Poor, stupid Canon, leaving all that revenue on the table. If only they understood the camera market as well as some random person posting on the internet. Alas…

neuroanatomist said:

If that were true, why hasn’t Canon made one? Poor, stupid Canon, leaving all that revenue on the table. If only they understood the camera market as well as some random person posting on the internet. Alas…

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Well so far, the R1 pre-sale numbers are BAD. They look disastrous for Canon, and all the major reviewers are saying what I'm saying. Even one of the canon explorers of light even went on record saying he was disappointed it wasn't at least in the 32-38mp range so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Robert Stone said:

Well so far, the R1 pre-sale numbers are BAD. They look disastrous for Canon…

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Based on one guy who earns a living from clicks and ‘talked to a few retailers’. Hey, did you know “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary?

Robert Stone said:

and all the major reviewers are saying what I'm saying. Even one of the canon explorers of light even went on record saying he was disappointed it wasn't at least in the 32-38mp range so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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We know. Canon is Doomed.

Robert Stone said:

Yes I have a Fuji 100s.

But I’ve shot canon for 30+ years. I was blown away by the original 5D II and had planned to get the next 1Ds that came after that (assuming it was higher than 20mp) and instead it was lower and then they went with the 1Dx line. The 5D IV is the best thing they have made (in terms of features) there’s 1 thing I miss from the 5D II and that’s the zoom in-out buttons with your thumb. But the 5D IV is pretty perfect for what it is. The R5 and R5 II are both let-downs. My 5D IV has features it doesn’t (in particular in-camera GPS). I can’t believe the R5 II doesn’t have GPS. That alone means it’s useless. Especially since because the battery dies so fast with the viewfinder use connecting it to your phone is impossible since you have to turn it on and off all the time to make it last.

But I want a vertical grip. Consumers today like vertical shots and the R5 is too light to hold easily without hurting your wrists because it’s lens-forward heavy.

It’s not that the 45mp isn’t enough at this point, it’s that it’s in a camera with limited features that the R1 has, but the R1 has a low MP sensor.

I guarantee that if an R1s came out, it would sell like hotcakes. The Idea the 1 series is out of ready when the difference NOW is only $2,000…. Sure when the 5D II was $2,000 and the 1Dx was $6,000, the market wasn’t there. But when the R5 is $4,000 and the R1 is $6,000… it’s a lot more in-reach.

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It’s terrible all those poor fools preordering an R5 II that is useless, and even worse it’s going to be back ordered.

neuroanatomist said:

Based on one guy who earns a living from clicks and ‘talked to a few retailers’. Hey, did you know “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary?


We know. Canon is Doomed.

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Do you even have interest in these cameras or are you just here to troll people who care about this?

I didn’t just make this up, I’m going off of what I read.


It’s also not necessary to condescend or make fun. If you are happy about the offerings and plan to buy one, great. Go take some photos. If not, why bother posting, these aren’t for you. Either way, it’s not necessary to be so upset with me.

I wish you the best with your purchases.

Robert Stone said:

Do you even have interest in these cameras or are you just here to troll people who care about this?

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It seems you’re just here to complain that Canon isn’t catering to your personal wish. That’s abundantly clear from your few posts here.

News flash, Canon doesn’t care if you’ve been a loyal customer for 30 years. They’re going to make the cameras they believe address the needs of the majority of customers, and unlike you, they’re in a position to know what those needs really are.

You previously stated the Z9 is ‘selling like hotcakes’. Since manufacturers don’t publish sales numbers by model and bodies at that price don’t make aggregated ‘top 10’ lists, you really have no idea how well it sold. But Canon almost certainly does. They chose an R1 with 24 MP. You clearly think that’s a mistake, and you’re welcome to your own opinion. But I am certain that the company that has led the ILC market for >20 years and dominates it today knows more about making and selling cameras that a rando on the internet like you.

Robert Stone said:

I didn’t just make this up, I’m going off of what I read.

It seems that the new Canon EOS R1 camera is a flop based on the number of pre-orders so far - Photo Rumors

I talked to a few retailers, and it seems that the new Canon EOS R1 camera did not even get close to the number of pre-orders stores have been used to receive for the latest releases from Sony, Nikon (Z8/Z9), and even Fuji (X100). Of course, pre-orders are not an indication of how good a […]

photorumors.com

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CRguy gets affiliate revenue from purchases, and indicated that R1 preorders are strong.

I didn’t suggest you made it up. I saw the referenced article. As I stated, that is, “One guy who earns a living from clicks and ‘talked to a few retailers’.” Yet based on that, you conclude it’s disastrous for Canon. Mmmmmkay.

Maybe you believe everything you read on the internet? If so, this may interest you.

Robert Stone said:

The 5D IV is the best thing they have made (in terms of features) there’s 1 thing I miss from the 5D II and that’s the zoom in-out buttons with your thumb. But the 5D IV is pretty perfect for what it is. The R5 and R5 II are both let-downs. My 5D IV has features it doesn’t (in particular in-camera GPS). I can’t believe the R5 II doesn’t have GPS. That alone means it’s useless. Especially since because the battery dies so fast with the viewfinder use connecting it to your phone is impossible since you have to turn it on and off all the time to make it last.

But I want a vertical grip. Consumers today like vertical shots and the R5 is too light to hold easily without hurting your wrists because it’s lens-forward heavy.

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You're entitled to your opinions and preferences.

Robert Stone said:

I guarantee that if an R1s came out, it would sell like hotcakes.

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Here's where you go awol. Why would a company that seeks to maximise sales not release a popular product? So either you're wrong that it would sell well (enough to recoup costs/make a profit), or they have some unfathomable reason to avoid doing something successful? Which is more likely, do you think? And if it were the latter, what reason could it be?

scyrene said:

Here's where you go awol. Why would a company that seeks to maximise sales not release a popular product?

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It’s a tactic. Saying ‘I want this’ carries no weight, so instead they say ‘a massive amount of people would buy this [thing I want]’. Or the analogous ‘the competitor make one and it’s wildly popular’ [without a shred of sales data to back up that claim].

Then they toss in nuggets like ‘my work hangs in galleries’ [translation: I’m important so everyone should listen to me] or ‘everyone I know feels the same way’ [a variation on the ‘I speak for the masses’ trope].

Trolling 101.

scyrene said:

You're entitled to your opinions and preferences.

Here's where you go awol. Why would a company that seeks to maximise sales not release a popular product? So either you're wrong that it would sell well (enough to recoup costs/make a profit), or they have some unfathomable reason to avoid doing something successful? Which is more likely, do you think? And if it were the latter, what reason could it be?

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I've seen startups kill profitable features because it didn't fit into their Gartner category. For a series B or C funding, finance weasels look at Gartner, however stupid that system is. Maximizing sales for a single product might not fit into a longer term strategy.

Some people call that 4D chess, I just nod my head and hide my confusion

koenkooi said:

I've seen startups kill profitable features because it didn't fit into their Gartner category. For a series B or C funding, finance weasels look at Gartner, however stupid that system is. Maximizing sales for a single product might not fit into a longer term strategy.

Some people call that 4D chess, I just nod my head and hide my confusion

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Fair, and no organisation is infallible. But I suspect it's less likely in any given case than what Neuro outlines above. (I don't know what a "Gartner category" is but I get the jist )

neuroanatomist said:

What's in a name? Canon stated that the R3 wasn't deserving of the 1-series designation from a technological standpoint. It may be as simple as the cross-type AF that's available in the R1.

If you look at the big picture, it seems likely that the R3 is a one-and-done model. Canon could stop R3 production, keep it in the lineup as long as they units to sell, then discontinue it. There are many improvements in the R1 compared to the R3, but there are also many similarities between the two cameras. YouTubers will say the R1 is an R3 II to get clicks. The reality is the R1 arrived right on schedule as a mirrorless successor to the 1D X III. I'm not convinced there's a place for the R3 in the ongoing lineup. Time will tell.

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The only importance that comes associated with the name is knowing that this is likely a camera that will not be replaced for another 4 years. Is it future proof for the next 4 years? That I do question. I had a lot of hope for some major technology leap in the camera like the rumored DGO sensor. We could always end up seeing a higher resolution R1S at some point, but it's clear that Canon wanted to create a camera that had minimal processing, buffer, and performance limitations/compromises as possible. Everyone asks "why only 24mp" and that is almost guaranteed to be a result of Canon's current processing capabilities for AF, readout speed, along with in-camera video performance.

I've been very vocal on here that the R3 is the single greatest camera I've ever used or owned in my almost 20-year career. Covering events with 24mp has proven to be the preferred sweet spot for me as well. The R1 has addressed the areas of improvement I wanted to see with the R3. 1.) CLOG2 for video production alongside my C70 (XFAVC is absolute icing on the cake here, as it preserves camera metadata and conventional cinema file names) 2.) Dual CFExpress Type B (not sure why they didn't just give the R1 4.0 capability, but it may already write off the cards fast enough) 3.) New battery (I use up the recharge battery health of 2 LP-E19 batteries a year since switching to the R3! I really wanted to see a new battery technology or larger capacity.) 4.) Quicker sensor readout speed. (I will on occasion get rolling shutter effects in car's exhaust flames, wheels, as well as general softness from some extremely fast moving subjects even when the shutter speed should freeze motion.)

So the R1 brings 3 of those to the plate and keeps soldiering on with the old battery. Oh well...at least I don't have to buy a bunch of new batteries and can interchange with the R3, if I end up keeping one of them. But it sounds like we may be seeing a fairly substantial increase in dynamic range (especially in video) and even greater noise performance than the R3...we'll have to wait and see.

Nikon and Sony have shifted their definition of what their flagship camera is. This has obviously altered the perception of what many believe defines a flagship camera. Canon doesn't care about that because the photographers they speak to that use these cameras at sporting events around the world and press agencies would all likely say the same thing I've said - 24mp is a good sweet spot. I also think that most people wouldn't be opposed to higher resolution stills (30-35mp)...but that comes at the expense of video sampling performance and the aforementioned processing capabilities.

I think there are certainly photographers that were waiting for this camera's announcement to decide their next move and there will absolutely be photographers that jump ship because they don't want this. I'm sure that Sony looks VERY appealing right now to a lot of people and I wont deny that. You're spoiled for choice in their lineup.

(P.S. I feel horrible for the Nikon camp because they're forced to use high resolution and slower sync speeds on their top camera models...those numbers matter in real world practice.)

perhaps they will make the R3II and turn it into a gap-filler between the 1 and the 5, higher resolution but still a fast shooter.

LSXPhotog said:

Nikon and Sony have shifted their definition of what their flagship camera is. This has obviously altered the perception of what many believe defines a flagship camera. Canon doesn't care about that because the photographers they speak to that use these cameras at sporting events around the world and press agencies would all likely say the same thing I've said - 24mp is a good sweet spot. I also think that most people wouldn't be opposed to higher resolution stills (30-35mp)...but that comes at the expense of video sampling performance and the aforementioned processing capabilities.

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To be fair, the definition of a "Flagship" camera has varied multiple times.

In the days of the Canon F-1 the Flagship was a general purpose camera that could do anything from studio work to photojournalism to sports to fine art and had the durability and flexibility to do any of those and switch to whatever was needed that day.

For things like the Olympics Canon produced special, very limited production high-speed variants. The example that comes to mind is the Canon F-1 High-Speed Motor Drive Camera. That wasn't the "Flagship" of the Canon line. The F-1 was the flagship. The High-Speed was a niche product.

Oh, and the same could be said at the time for Nikon who also produced limited high-speed bodies for the Olympics without those specialty bodies being the "Flagship" so it wasn't an issue of what one vendor decided. Nobody declared their specialty "high-speed Olympic" body the flagship of their line.

AlanF said:

You need one that takes the motorcycle wheels at 1/160s and the rest at 1/2000s to up your keeper rate!

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I usually don't have troubles panning handheld, but unironically, I'm going to try and kludge that together this weekend.

I'm thinking:

- Set max electronic shutter rate
- Set camera to manual at 1/2000s f/8.0 and ISO 800
- Set * button to override to 1/60 f/16 ISO 100.
- Midburst press * button
- Try stacking in post.

Robert Stone said:

The 5D IV is the best thing they have made (in terms of features) there’s 1 thing I miss from the 5D II and that’s the zoom in-out buttons with your thumb. But the 5D IV is pretty perfect for what it is. The R5 and R5 II are both let-downs.

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I also shoot a 5D4 as my primary and surprisingly I found I have little interest in the R5 II at this point. I think it'll be a great camera for a lot of people, but for me personally, the high price and concentration on countless video features I'll never touch is a turn-off. I'm also waiting to see if the reports of cameras freezing and locking up decreases with this new model, as I think they still have some bugs to work out with these newer MILCs.

I've been looking over the rumoured R6III specs and it seems like that it will effectivel take over the R3's technical specs. I leaves me wondering what will become of the R3 in the light of the R5ii and R6iii's sepcs. It's quite clear that the R3 was a stop gap before Canon could complete the R1. It's a truely great camera but it's not quite the best that Canon wanted.
We were all suprised by the R1's resolution. We all thought it would match the R5ii at 45mp. meaning the R1 would match the R5 and the R3 would match the R3 in rems of resolution...a nice and neat and easy to follow camera portfolio.
However, it's clear that Canon wanted the R1 to be THE sports camera of choice and that means 24mp for the current era. I think the 24 / 45mp formats are here to stayfor a long time in the Canon eco-system.
So that really means that the R3 only has one logical replacement...the super-pro version of the R5...the 45mp pro bodied camera that we all thought was coming in the R1.

GMCPhotographics said:

I've been looking over the rumoured R6III specs and it seems like that it will effectivel take over the R3's technical specs. I leaves me wondering what will become of the R3 in the light of the R5ii and R6iii's sepcs. It's quite clear that the R3 was a stop gap before Canon could complete the R1. It's a truely great camera but it's not quite the best that Canon wanted.
We were all suprised by the R1's resolution. We all thought it would match the R5ii at 45mp. meaning the R1 would match the R5 and the R3 would match the R3 in rems of resolution...a nice and neat and easy to follow camera portfolio.
However, it's clear that Canon wanted the R1 to be THE sports camera of choice and that means 24mp for the current era. I think the 24 / 45mp formats are here to stayfor a long time in the Canon eco-system.
So that really means that the R3 only has one logical replacement...the super-pro version of the R5...the 45mp pro bodied camera that we all thought was coming in the R1.

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A surprising number of people are vocal about wanting a gripped R series body, but not at 1 series pricing. So there is a niche for the 3 series to fill, even if it's just "6 series that can drive big whites faster, the whole day without changing batteries". Personally, I would be annoyed if the more-than-45-MP body only comes in gripped form, but it would save me a lot of money if it did

koenkooi said:

A surprising number of people are vocal about wanting a gripped R series body, but not at 1 series pricing. So there is a niche for the 3 series to fill, even if it's just "6 series that can drive big whites faster, the whole day without changing batteries". Personally, I would be annoyed if the more-than-45-MP body only comes in gripped form, but it would save me a lot of money if it did

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There were always people who used the 1D series for the pro body but not for sports or wildlife.
Many such people use the R3 and would not benefit from the R1.

When it comes to cost, the R3 is close to the R5 II price now but it was priced close to the current R1 price when it was released.
I would not bet on an R3 II being close to the current R3 price.

Will be interesting to see if Canon really announces a R3 Mk2 in 2025. Latests rumors for 2025 are a video-centric APS-C camera, a retro full-frame camera, and a high-resolution full frame camera.