Rumored R6 Mark III Specifications

scyrene said:

Not trying to pick a fight, but do you have any evidence to back up these assertions? Sounds a lot like generalising your own views to "many".

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It sounds like you are making a pretty big accusation here, so yes I would say you are picking a fight.
Do you not have facebook friends, wedding photographer networks, wildlife photographer's networks? Other popular photography forums?
I literally know about 200 other photographers, most are either semi professional or full time and guess what...we talk a lot about gear and other aspects about photography.

I certainly don't need to justify myself to you....sorry, but who are you again? I'm not familiar with any of your pictures.

GMCPhotographics said:

I literally know about 200 other photographers, most are either semi professional or full time and guess what...we talk a lot about gear and other aspects about photography.

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There's a big difference between 'many people I know who use a 5-series DSLR are not tempted by the R6/R6II' and what you said, which was, "Canon is having a hard job tempting [5DmkIII and 5Dmk4] users to the R6/II/III cameras." The former is your personal experience, and I'm not sure why anyone would question that.

The latter is a broad statement about Canon's sales of the 6-series MILCs. A ballpark estimate based on Canon's unit sales vs. revenue suggests that 6-series MILCs represent on the order of 8-10% of Canon's unit sales. Say I'm overestimating and it was only 5% of the >11 million cameras that Canon has sold since launching the R6.

You literally know about 200 photographers. That means the photographers you know represent <0.04% of R6's Canon probably sold...and <0.002% of all the cameras Canon has sold since launching the R6. But you think that discussions with that relatively minuscule number of people accurately reflects the motivations of people buying 6-series MILCs? LOL. (Oh, and please don't bring up the issue of polling, because the statistical underpinning of polling is that the sample is randomly selected from the total population being considered, and 'friends and acquaintances of @GMCPhotographics is not a random sample.)

So...you can certainly say that the people you know who are using 5-series DLSRs aren't tempted by the 6-series MILCs. But claiming Canon is having a hard time tempting 5-series DSLR users to buy 6-series MILCs, you have no idea. It baffles me that people somehow think that the relatively few people they know and talk to have any relevance whatsoever in terms of the camera market. The world is a big place.

neuroanatomist said:

There's a big difference between 'many people I know who use a 5-series DSLR are not tempted by the R6/R6II' and what you said, which was, "Canon is having a hard job tempting [5DmkIII and 5Dmk4] users to the R6/II/III cameras." The former is your personal experience, and I'm not sure why anyone would question that.

The latter is a broad statement about Canon's sales of the 6-series MILCs. A ballpark estimate based on Canon's unit sales vs. revenue suggests that 6-series MILCs represent on the order of 8-10% of Canon's unit sales. Say I'm overestimating and it was only 5% of the >11 million cameras that Canon has sold since launching the R6.

You literally know about 200 photographers. That means the photographers you know represent <0.04% of R6's Canon probably sold...and <0.002% of all the cameras Canon has sold since launching the R6. But you think that discussions with that relatively minuscule number of people accurately reflects the motivations of people buying 6-series MILCs? LOL. (Oh, and please don't bring up the issue of polling, because the statistical underpinning of polling is that the sample is randomly selected from the total population being considered, and 'friends and acquaintances of @GMCPhotographics is not a random sample.)

So...you can certainly say that the people you know who are using 5-series DLSRs aren't tempted by the 6-series MILCs. But claiming Canon is having a hard time tempting 5-series DSLR users to buy 6-series MILCs, you have no idea. It baffles me that people somehow think that the relatively few people they know and talk to have any relevance whatsoever in terms of the camera market. The world is a big place.

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Wow, that's a big reply. Did I touch a nerve?

Listen, I'm sorry I'm a bit terse at the moment. Maybe unusually so. I'm a bit cranky and a bit wired. I've just got over arranging my late Father's memorial service. For me, it's been photographic journey, summarising his expnsive and varied life in only 200 photographs. This activity has stirred a lot of feeling and emotions. So apologise for my hastiness and terse comments.

So let me re-phrase my comment and frame it in some relative context. I'm sorry for the simplistic use of "Many" which obviously needed more unpacking.
I didn't meant to imply that my "many" was "all". I think a better rendering here is that I see a "suprising number" of photographers with a suprising "regularity" of similar sentiments / comments.

In my sphere of observation and influence, I have noticed a hard core group, internationally and not just located in the UK, who still find the EVF's found in the R8/R6II and R5 to be lacking in fidelity that they enjoyed with an optical view finder. I understand their position, but I do not fully agree. I think it's still a young and emerging technology for photographers and I'm sure within a generation or two we will see EVF hardware improve accross the whole product range. Some of these photographer's use case scenario operate in low light with fast primes, while I have noticed that there are a few "I use tripods for everything" landscapers who also insist on an optical view finder.

I have also noticed, within this crowd, that there seems to be a number of 5DIII and 5D4, 5DS(r) users who care little for what advantages mirrorless offers (and there are many advantages) and would prefer to remain DSLR users. I see this particularly over on the FOP forum. I've not analysed / summerised their use case scenarios but I suspect (with no clear evidence) that many of the posters over there are retired and happy with their current gear. I suspect for those users, the tech has already peaked and they are happy with their gear. I find this appraoch rather odd because those cameras will now be getting quite old and possibly high shutter counts.

Personally, I have been suprised by my own Mirriorless journey and i would never want to go back to a DSLR. I think that the current batch of mirrorless cameras are the finest that Canon have ever produced and offer the best that is currently available. Canon still have the widest lens portfolio of lens offering (new and used) that are available in one brand and their camera bodies are generally the price point bench mark.



Hopefully I have expanded enough here. Apologies again for my recent feistiness.

scyrene said:

Not trying to pick a fight, but do you have any evidence to back up these assertions? Sounds a lot like generalising your own views to "many".

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feistiness

scyrene said:

Not trying to pick a fight, but do you have any evidence to back up these assertions? Sounds a lot like generalising your own views to "many".

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Apologies again for my recent feistiness.

GMCPhotographics said:

Wow, that's a big reply. Did I touch a nerve?

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It was more than I had time on my hands and you sparked a curiosity about the actual numbers.

Sorry for your loss, and thanks for the additional explanation!