Early Canon EOS R6 Mark III Specifications

#161
Stacked BSI sensor and CF express card is a worthwhile upgrade over my R6ii for me but I'm hoping that the pre capture is more like Sony's one and please, please move the stills/video switch over to the right hand side so I can operate it without taking my eye away from the evf. They can switch it with the power switch which I only use at the start and end of a session or when changing batteries and delete the idiotic lock position too.
Perfectly happy with 24 million pixels too.
 
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#162
GMCPhotographics said:
After all this chatter over the R6mkII....I'm actually more curious about the rumoured R7mkII. It's the camera that really needs a refresh the most. Sure the R1 is nice, but way outof most people's needs / price ratio. The R5ii is nice to read about, but it's unlikely to be the big seller (although a fantastic camera) like the R6ii or R7 are. The R7 suffers the most with rolling shutter issues and poor AF lock retention. Fix those issues and it's a license fro Canon to print money.
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As, if my memory serves me well, @koenkooi has mentioned: the R7 AF performance is linked to the comparatively slow sensor read out speed. Increase the sensor read out speed and AF performance will improve.
 
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#163
GMCPhotographics said:
Having owned my R8 for nearly a year and my R6ii for over 10 months...I have to say that I was initially irked by the fact that the sensor readout was too slow for Birds in flight with flappy wings when using the Electronic Shutter. So I used the 1st curtain shutter and used 12fps...to be honest...that's still a lot of photos per second. When I have engaged the 30fps ES..I'm usually overwhelmed with images to choose from and I switch back to 1st curtain shutter. For me 12fps is more than enough, I seem to be able to capture what I need with it. I'm also not convinced the R6ii's AF can actually keep up with 30fps.
The R8's weakest feature is it's low resolution EVF. The R8's EVF is dysmal compared to the R6ii's EVF. But i sometimes find that I can see the limited pixels on my R6II's viewfinder too. So a 5+mp EVF ported from the R5 would be very welcome.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't directly replace my R6ii with a R6iii. I'd probably replace my R8 with a R6iii and use the R6ii as my 2nd body.
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The R1 and R5 Mk II have “Blur/Out-of-Focus Image Detection” during image playback which helps in detecting out of focus images, from the manual: “based mainly on faces in JPEG/HEIF images of people”. Maybe Canon will improve this feature to work with other subjects as well.

See: https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-05_Playback_0260.html

Canon used to have an app and a plug in to assist in culling photo’s based on sharpness: https://www.usa.canon.com/newsroom/2021/20210211-app

This app and plugin were culled: they are no longer available.
 
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#164
ironfreak said:
No, that's not what i mean. R6II series and R5 series don't just separate resolution wise, right? There's a lot more you get in R5 than only just resolution such as the EVF, bigger screen, video specs, etc. For the all type shooter, in business of photography, megapixels and price of camera do matter. Like in 6D (20mp to 6DII - 26 MP) it was welcomed. Expecting a little more resolution than 24 MP from Canon is not crime. Its not that they have not done it before. The first ff R was 30 MP.
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But once again, resolution is not the same as megapixel count. The newer lower MP sensors outresolve the older higher ones (both according to Canon, and by general consensus amongst those who've compared them).
 
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#165
Uneternal said:
Another 24MP full frame camera? While even APS-C cameras are now at 40MP and Sonys direct competitor sits at 33MP. I'd prefer if they sacrificed some speed and gave us 30MP, I'd probably even sell my R5 for that.

Regarding the 2-years cycle: Yes it's too fast. Canon always had a ~4 year cycle for every model. I don't want to end up in mobile phone cycles where you get a new phone every year with lackluster improvements. But it currently seems that this is where we're heading: Milking the G.A.S.-crowd

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Who says you need to buy every iteration of the R6, unless you're a collector. Just buy every other version of it and enjoy the faster progress.
 
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Yay, another camera to be completely unexcited about. I know not everyone agrees, but my feeling is that the incrementalism game is getting out of control. I don’t know whether a two-year cycle is “too fast” but I will say that Canon seems to be developing new innovations - and the gear that people actually want - too slowly.

To be honest, though, I should be grateful. It’s given me time to focus my budget on sound and lighting gear, which have both seen a great deal of exciting improvements in recent times.
 
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chasingrealness said:
Yay, another camera to be completely unexcited about. I know not everyone agrees, but my feeling is that the incrementalism game is getting out of control. I don’t know whether a two-year cycle is “too fast” but I will say that Canon seems to be developing new innovations - and the gear that people actually want - too slowly.

To be honest, though, I should be grateful. It’s given me time to focus my budget on sound and lighting gear, which have both seen a great deal of exciting improvements in recent times.
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I feel you.
I wanted a 100MP, 100fps, global shutter, 1000$ camera in 2010, and Canon still hasn't delivered, even though I wished for it perfectly! What is taking them so long???
 
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chasingrealness said:
Yay, another camera to be completely unexcited about. I know not everyone agrees, but my feeling is that the incrementalism game is getting out of control. I don’t know whether a two-year cycle is “too fast” but I will say that Canon seems to be developing new innovations - and the gear that people actually want - too slowly.

To be honest, though, I should be grateful. It’s given me time to focus my budget on sound and lighting gear, which have both seen a great deal of exciting improvements in recent times.
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Curious, what are the exciting improvements in sound and lighting gear you are referring to?
 
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#170
GMCPhotographics said:
The problem was created by the ability to shoot at 30-40fps with an electronic shutter in the first place. Mechanical shutters have always been in the 5ms region, so it's rarely been an issue before Electronic Shutters became a thing. I'm not sure Global shutters will every be widely adopted. As long as the Electronic Shutter / Sensor readout is below 5ms,
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If rolling shutter wasn't a problem, Sony wouldn't have bothered putting global shutter in the A9 III. Just because you (and others in this forum) haven't been aware of the problem that is rolling shutter before being able to do 30-40fps doesn't mean it didn't exist. All that has happened is that the people experiencing it has expanded to a group that is just unfamiliar/unaccustomed to it.

GMCPhotographics said:
I can't see this being an issue going forwards. A bit like and aliasing filter, some specific frequencies or movement speeds of moving objects might still get some minor rollng shutter issues...we wait to see.
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You're getting close to the mark there and because it is a well known problem to professionals, they apply the required work arounds (just as they do for fashion shoots and moire.)

en.wikipedia.org

Rolling shutter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
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#171
DhlcadR6 said:
No one force you to love it. This is getting tiring and unnecessary. These are rumour specs, you are taking it serious.
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CR is usually pretty spot on with their rumors.

According to you (and others in this thead), based on the current specs, the sales pitch from Canon to owners of R6 & R-II is:

"Upgrade to the R6-III so you can take better photographs of insect wings and fast action sports!"
 
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#172
m4ndr4ke said:
That's correct, indeed it does, but do you see sports photographers having rolling shutter issues with the mechanical shutter? I don't. So, if we have an electronic shutter that's as fast as a mechanical shutter, which has been the industry standard for decades, and is proved to be competent...problem solved, no?
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Right. But I must confess I don't look at all of the various forums to see if pro's are complaining about rolling shutter with all of the various cameras available today. Most I suspect learn what the equipment can/can't do and then adapt to ensure it doesn't happen. Thus it is probably just amateurs that whinge on the internet - which include youtubers (& tiktokers, etc.)

m4ndr4ke said:
So, what are Sony and Nikon delivering at the same price point, that Canon will not, if the R6 III comes out according to these rumors? I see an a7 IV and a Z6 III. One has a higher resolution sensor, but shoots at 6fps mechanical and 10fps electronic, with considerable rolling shutter, and the other one features a half-stacked CMOS sensor. Sounds to me like this R6 III would be packing the most advanced sensor and autofocus technologies, among those three cameras.
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If the R6-III comes out with a new sensor, it should probably be compared to the A7 V (which is also rumored for later this year.) I think comparing the R6-III and A7V is perfect because neither currently exist outside of rumors.

At present there's no confirmation about what, if any, autofocus advances will be in the R6-III, except to say that the second chip in the R1 won't be in the R6-III.

For those thinking this is a "new" phenonenon, this is from 2017, 7 years ago:
www.dpreview.com

Electronic shutter, rolling shutter and flash: what you need to know

Whether you're syncing a flash, wondering why banding is appearing in your image or getting strange images from your camera's silent shutter mode, the way your shutter works has a role to play. Here's what happens when you press the shutter button.
www.dpreview.com www.dpreview.com
 
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#173
AlanF said:
They did what I do now - use mechanical shutter in those situations for single shots. But, that won’t work for pre-burst modes where ES is essential, and they didn’t have that in the good old days. And they couldn’t shoot at 30 fps like on my R7 in ES.
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From what I've been told, some "photographers" used video cameras to "get the shot" when it came to animals and that the film required to do so was just a cost of business.

I suppose some would argue that shooting faster than 20fps isn't much different to video anyway, right? Most movies are "24" fps, so if you're doing 30 or 40 fps, you kind of already are shooting video :LOL:
 
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GMCPhotographics said:
Having owned my R8 for nearly a year and my R6ii for over 10 months...I have to say that I was initially irked by the fact that the sensor readout was too slow for Birds in flight with flappy wings when using the Electronic Shutter. So I used the 1st curtain shutter and used 12fps...to be honest...that's still a lot of photos per second. When I have engaged the 30fps ES..I'm usually overwhelmed with images to choose from and I switch back to 1st curtain shutter. For me 12fps is more than enough, I seem to be able to capture what I need with it. I'm also not convinced the R6ii's AF can actually keep up with 30fps.
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I love to hear about real world use vs theoretical based on stats. I think choosing a shooting speed of 30fps makes a bigger difference when you're trying to do bracketing for focus stacking or HDR stacking. The challenge is on stopping.
 
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David_B said:
I suppose some would argue that shooting faster than 20fps isn't much different to video anyway, right? Most movies are "24" fps, so if you're doing 30 or 40 fps, you kind of already are shooting video :LOL:
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I don't do video and don't know the finer details of processing. I shoot stills in RAW and use the full gamut of possibilities of processing, noise reduction, extraction of detail, combined with cropping.
 
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David_B said:
CR is usually pretty spot on with their rumors.

According to you (and others in this thead), based on the current specs, the sales pitch from Canon to owners of R6 & R-II is:

"Upgrade to the R6-III so you can take better photographs of insect wings and fast action sports!"
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CR wasn't accurate with R1 until 48hrs before 17 July.

You are not getting the message from me and others here. R6s' relative low MP is not the main concern for its target audience. R6-series so far established itself as the cheapest multi-role in Canon's line up. There'll be imperfections, but alternate solutions will be there.
You keep biting on R6i&R6iii not being "stills friendly" is pointless.

And is there a rule that R6/R6ii users have to upgrade to R6iii/R6iv etc...?
 
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