Early Canon EOS R6 Mark III Specifications

#81
PinholeR5 said:
No DIGIC Accelerator? Interesting.

I would have thought that would be one of the main motivations for an R6 III. The new AF algorithms will need the accelerator.
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Maybe some of those will be integrated into the "improved" Digic X processor?

As an aside, assuming the Digic X is still the same as it was when it was introduced, Canon are surely due a new one very soon?
I'm going on the assumption its not exactly the same in each generation of cameras and has slight tweaks but still maintains the X branding.
 
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#82
Ryrock77 said:
I'm dealing with this now. lol. But 4K RAW video on the Komodo, 4K 120p on the R5 and R3 and 6K RAW on the R3 produce almost exactly the same file sizes depending on what you record in. You can't get around 4K 120p one the Canon cameras so you don't really take a hit with 6K RAW shooting.
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This is true, RAW video will always be massive when it comes to file sizes. I'd much rather work with 6K raw than 8K raw, however.
 
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#83
Rocco Germani said:
It sounds good but from a logistical standpoint it is a nightmare. Shooting 8K even in 8 bit leads to massive file sizes, which increase exponentially if you shoot in 10 bit or 12 bit in the case of the R5II or R5C. Then you need to store all those files somewhere, and need to edit them. That requires you to have a fast and large SSD, and a powerful computer. I fill up 8TB per year on average with my combined photo/video projects. I can't imagine quadrupling the file sizes for the video files. A total nightmare. All that for it to be watched in 1080p on YouTube or Instagram Reels. 6K is the highest I'd ever see myself using and even then I wouldn't use it all the time.
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So 45 MP and 8K video don’t make sense to you. Ok.
 
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#84
Ryrock77 said:
No, the R6II does not have the same AF abilities as the R3. The R3 is miles ahead of the R6II AF.
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If I remember correctly, the R6 II was the first camera with the new AI autofocus features, which I’m unaware if they made it to the R3 already. I always expected the R3 to be able to be slightly faster, mostly due to the fact that it’s got a faster sensor as well, but I expected the R6 II to be “smarter”. Am I missing something?
 
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#85
definedphotography said:
Maybe some of those will be integrated into the "improved" Digic X processor?

As an aside, assuming the Digic X is still the same as it was when it was introduced, Canon are surely due a new one very soon?
I'm going on the assumption its not exactly the same in each generation of cameras and has slight tweaks but still maintains the X branding.
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It could very well be that they keep the DIGIC X name and make updated versions of it. But if that is the case, I suspect the updated DIGIC would not be able to handle the advanced AI algorithms of the R1/R5 II.

I think the main motivation for the DIGIC Accelerator is to run the AI algorithms in the AF system (and the other features like upscale). And, if the DIGIC X in the R3 is running all the AI algorithms in that camera, then offloading the AI workload to the DIGIC Acdelerator would accomplish two things: (1) It would allow for more advanced AI algorithms in the camera than what would be possible with the DIGIC X alone; (2) Drastically reduce the workload on the DIGIC X since the compute heave AI workload is sent to the accelerator. This would allow the same DIGIC X to handle all the other advanced features/speeds from the camera comfortably. So I can see the DIGIC X being the same (or minimally tweaked to work well with an external accelerator) to reduce the engineering effort.
 
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#87
TwoWheeler said:
Maybe they mean after it’s released? - unlike the R1, which has been the subject of complaints before it was even announced.
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Which camera, after launch, was zero complaints and no disappointed users decided to return it?

TwoWheeler said:
Maybe they mean after it’s released? - unlike the R1, which has been the subject of complaints before it was even announced.
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I don't remember any camera with zero complaints before its launch, due to its poor features and outdated features.
 
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#88
definedphotography said:
Maybe some of those will be integrated into the "improved" Digic X processor?

As an aside, assuming the Digic X is still the same as it was when it was introduced, Canon are surely due a new one very soon?
I'm going on the assumption it’s not exactly the same in each generation of cameras and has slight tweaks but still maintains the X branding.
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Digic X that is in the R5 and R6 is not the same as the one in the R6mk2 and R3 they did point out it is an improved version in their pr materials.
There is a chance that the new cameras R5mk2 R1 will use a different version that is improved.
 
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#89
definedphotography said:
Maybe some of those will be integrated into the "improved" Digic X processor?

As an aside, assuming the Digic X is still the same as it was when it was introduced, Canon are surely due a new one very soon?
I'm going on the assumption its not exactly the same in each generation of cameras and has slight tweaks but still maintains the X branding.
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I think your assumption is correct. If I remember correctly Digic X refers to just the processor family, but we should expect improvements as time progresses. The Digic X was first released in the 1Dx MkIII in Feb 2020.
 
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A fully stacked 24 MP sensor in the R6 MK 3 would be a huge advancement for that camera and at that price point assuming they keep it around $2500. Eventually stacked sensors will become very common and there will have to be new features (e.g., global shutter) to further differentiate. Although to be honest I am quite content with stacked sensors with rolling shutters and am not sold on global shutters for the photography I do.
 
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#91
m4ndr4ke said:
You guys got me curious. Does that happen often on the R6 Mark II?

I’ve never had an error on my original R6, which is almost three and a half years old.

A few months ago I almost took an opportunity to replace my R6 with a Mark II for a few bucks. I didn’t do it, because the time wasn’t right, it wasn’t wise to invest at that time, but now I’m wondering if it was better this way
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Used my already retired r62 for 30 days straight while overseas.. no lockup, with a 3rd party grip as well. My 5d3 used to lock up randomly requiring a battery pull, so i get the frustration. Definitely lost killer shots because of it.

Now this essentially brand new condition (not even dust!) r62 can probably get a better price since Canon rebates are much less. No way I was taking 1400 for this thing that was $2,500 plus tax.
 
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#93
Ryrock77 said:
Why to 30MP or 24MP? The R3 6K RAW video is incredible and I use it to match perfectly with my OG Komodo. I couldn't do that with the R5. The R3

Back-illuminated Stacked 24.1 Megapixel Full-frame CMOS Sensor lifts the shadows and has great highlight dynamic range. Don't chase camera features because in the lower end cameras the one thing that suffers is image quality. ​

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There aren't many shooting 6K video, and it is strange that Canon pushed that. RED, Black Magic, and other dedicated video cameras are doing 6K & 12K. If you're shooting 6K then you're already putting work on your plate to transform that to 4K via either crop or downscale. But 30MP doesn't map nicely to a video frame is what I'm saying, which is why Canon have abandoned that sensor. Canon's sensor resolutions are now being chosen by what they think is suitable for video, photography be damned.
 
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#94
Rocco Germani said:
It sounds good but from a logistical standpoint it is a nightmare. Shooting 8K even in 8 bit leads to massive file sizes, which increase exponentially if you shoot in 10 bit or 12 bit in the case of the R5II or R5C. Then you need to store all those files somewhere, and need to edit them. That requires you to have a fast and large SSD, and a powerful computer. I fill up 8TB per year on average with my combined photo/video projects. I can't imagine quadrupling the file sizes for the video files. A total nightmare. All that for it to be watched in 1080p on YouTube or Instagram Reels. 6K is the highest I'd ever see myself using and even then I wouldn't use it all the time.
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Yes. 8K video isn't something that I see the home user wanting to do any time in the near future because it is too unwieldly. My view is that 8K video (and higher) will be the "mastering" source that is used to create 4K/1080p content for consumers. Look around for 8K content, what can you find? Some stuff on youtube. This year's new 8K TV models? None of the big brands wanted to talk about that. 8K has a bigger problem than did 3D, which is to say that 8K looks to be DOA from a consumer perspective. But let me repeat, while it may be DOA from *our* perspective, those doing mastering and operating cinemas might feel differently.
 
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#95
m4ndr4ke said:
If I remember correctly, the R6 II was the first camera with the new AI autofocus features, which I’m unaware if they made it to the R3 already. I always expected the R3 to be able to be slightly faster, mostly due to the fact that it’s got a faster sensor as well, but I expected the R6 II to be “smarter”. Am I missing something?
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I don't think the R6II AF is anywhere close to the r3 AF. I think the R6II AF was improved over the R6 and on par with the R5.
 
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a stacked 24mp r6 iii is so tempting! coming from an r6 (original), the rolling shutter improvement would be so great. shooting sports on e-shutter would save the shutter life of the camera too! I wonder if they\'ll change the cards in the camera as well (cfe would be so welcome), but probably not to protect the r5 ii. or a grip with ethernet
 
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#97
Lets look at the rumored specs...
Sensor:
* 24MP (same as R3, R6, R6 Mark II), R3 sensor is 0.1mm higher and wider than R6 & R6-II, but no confirmation on that until details from Canon.
* What that'll mean is that there's likely no observable difference
Shutter:
* Mechanical/Electronic - Same as R6 Mark II
Processor:
* Improved DIGIC X - no details so ... WTF?
Cards:
* CFE (new to R6)
* SD-UHS II (is on R6-II)
Video:
* 4K 120P (up from 60P)
* 1080p 240P (up from 180p)
EVF:
* From R5 (old tech)
IBIS:
* improved without specifics
AF sensitivity
* improved without specifics
Weight
* R6-III weighs more than R6-II
I'm not saying that Canon's doomed, but FFS, the list of what's new/better in the R6III vs the R6II is pretty insignificant. All of the reviewers will rave about it because otherwise they won't get new free stuff from Canon, but man oh man, what a boring camera update. Is this the camera update you push out when you're not really having a camera update? Or is it further confirmation that photography is now playing second fiddle to video at Canon?

To compare sensor between R6II and R3:
From ISO 200-1000, R6II is better than R3, otherwise R3 is better than R6II by at most 0.4 stops (low ISO) and 0.2 (high ISO.)
 
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#98
David_B said:
Yes. 8K video isn't something that I see the home user wanting to do any time in the near future because it is too unwieldly. My view is that 8K video (and higher) will be the "mastering" source that is used to create 4K/1080p content for consumers. Look around for 8K content, what can you find? Some stuff on youtube. This year's new 8K TV models? None of the big brands wanted to talk about that. 8K has a bigger problem than did 3D, which is to say that 8K looks to be DOA from a consumer perspective. But let me repeat, while it may be DOA from *our* perspective, those doing mastering and operating cinemas might feel differently.
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I think the 8k could be interesting to many mostly because it is minimum for spatial video and shooting with dual lenses. And considering they have release 3 lenses I can see canon pushing more of 8k cameras. It all depends on the accessibility of spatial devices. Apple is currently really expensive and the others are not so great.
 
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#99
Ryrock77 said:
No, the R6II does not have the same AF abilities as the R3. The R3 is miles ahead of the R6II AF. I also never liked the R6 compared to the R5. The R5 just seemed better in every way. The R3 is a big jump up Fromm the R5 also. You can get the R3 for $4,000 now. And the R3 6K RAW 60fps has the same image as the IG Komodo. R3 RAW files are about the same size as Komodo RED RAW files. I'm not sure what Canon did with the R3 and RAW video but it's amazing.

I assume the R5II and R1 will maybe have a little more dynamic range with RAW video with Clog2.
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I am curious. Can you elaborate on how the R3's AF is 'miles ahead' of the R6 II? I have neither, so can only rely on others' user experience.
 
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#100
tomislavmoze said:
I think the 8k could be interesting to many mostly because it is minimum for spatial video and shooting with dual lenses. And considering they have release 3 lenses I can see canon pushing more of 8k cameras. It all depends on the accessibility of spatial devices. Apple is currently really expensive and the others are not so great.
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Spatial video? What's that? VR video for Apple's over priced VR headsets? (yet another failed product.)

Canon are producing plenty of cameras for video people (Cinema EOS, EOS-RC), looks like the only photographers that matter any more to Canon are those that use the R1 (ok, that's a troll.)
 
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