Canon Officially Announces 4 new RF Lenses

working on it now! the difference between the EF and RF is insane, it's not even close.

all the lenses are top notch for sure.
Yes, i've been saying for a while that the old EF 24mm f1.4 II L was low hanging fruit for Canon to improve upon in the RF line up. The EF mk II version optically matched the really old EF 35mm mk I. Canon never produced a mkIII...
Even on a R6, the EF 24mm f1.4 II L's optics were soft wide open. the old lens had an odd sharpness halo, it was actually less sharp in the centre than slightly off centre.
This new RF 24mm VC L spanks the old EF lens in every measurable metric.
 
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Also up now!

Canon 50mm F1.4 MTF analysis.

Richard, just for fun, add the MTFs of the RF 50 STM, too ;)
 
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Canon have a warning on their website for people with pacemakers or similar devices to not use vcm products.

Is this just more or less a legal thing and real world wise it is not that big of a problem, or do they actually gatekeep an increasing number of their lenses by using vcm?

I don't have any experience with the 35mm vcm but stuff like this and reports of it rattling around when turned off, seemed a little weird to me, as to why they would invest in that technology even more.
 
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There are three big "FINALLY!!!" Thank you Canon lenses here.
All three of these lenses had become unicorn lenses....and Canon have finally delivered!

The new RF 24mm f1.4 VC L, replaces one of the weakest EF L primes.

The new RF 50mm f1.4 VC L has no direct competitor in the EF line up because Canon held off making a worthy EF 50mm. the MFT charts are impressive and we now have a choice of the slightly heavier and larger f1.2 version or this new f1.4 version. Optically there is little between them. Once the price and supply has stabilised, I'm sure this new lens will indeed be noticably cheaper that the current f1.2 version.

I used to detest using the 24/50 EF combo because they were so optically weak and underperforming even on the old 22mp sensors. The only EF 50mm that was sharp was my old metal mount EF 50mm f1.8 and that was bought new in 1988 with my EOS 650 film camera. I've had numerous copies of the EF 50mm f1.4 USM (which felt more plastic than the plastic fantastic f1.8 version) and the infamous EF 50mm f1.2 L. Canon now have sharp and fast focussing, robust 50mm L lenses in both the f1.4 and f1.2 variants...this is NEW experience....

The new RF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS Z, while I like the smaller form factor of the RF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS, this new lens has all the features that many (soz there I go again....with my many's) pro and semi pros want in their 70-200/2.8 lenses. a non extending design and the ability to use teleconverters to expand this len's versatility.
 
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Canon have a warning on their website for people with pacemakers or similar devices to not use vcm products.

Is this just more or less a legal thing and real world wise it is not that big of a problem, or do they actually gatekeep an increasing number of their lenses by using vcm?

I don't have any experience with the 35mm vcm but stuff like this and reports of it rattling around when turned off, seemed a little weird to me, as to why they would invest in that technology even more.

I THINK it's just a legal thing. Voice coil magnetic fields exist all over the world.

that being said, I'd check with your dr if you have a pacemaker, I am certainly NOT giving any medical advice.
 
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Okay!

The 24mm is up. Canon finally has stomped any notion that they couldn't create a great fast 24mm prime. it's by far the best 24mm that canon has ever developed.


This is easily the most impressive simultaneous lens launch since maybe the TS-E 17mm and 24mm.
 
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However, these new charts include in-camera software correction.
I doubt the designs need much correction. I haven't seen ANY patent applications on their high end primes needing significant image circle correction.

distortion was / is always corrected even with EF, same with vignetting - and that wouldn't necessarily show up on the MTF.

Also; MTF is usually just the lens itself. correction happens after sensor readout. You aren't seeing the entire systemic MTF because that would be impossible, it would change for every camera. a different microlens design can easily affect your overall contrast and resolution performance.
 
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I doubt the designs need much correction. I haven't seen ANY patent applications on their high end primes needing significant image circle correction.

distortion was / is always corrected even with EF, same with vignetting - and that wouldn't necessarily show up on the MTF.

Also; MTF is usually just the lens itself. correction happens after sensor readout. You aren't seeing the entire systemic MTF because that would be impossible, it would change for every camera. a different microlens design can easily affect your overall contrast and resolution performance.
Yes, I agree for the primes but the for the ef 70-200 f2.8 II LIS vs rf 70-200 f2.8 LIS Z it's a bit more critical because there is less optically between these two lenses.
Canon have stated previously that their newer MFT charts includes a level of software optimisation that matches the code used in their cameras bodies. This explains why the recent EF MFT's are superior to the slightly older MFT charts (and way better than the older pre 2018 system). A good example of this is the EF 135mm f2.0 MFT charts. Another example is the new RF 10-20mm, its MFT's are clearly adjusted / optimised for corner distortion etc.
In terms of optical design, any Canon L lens from 2009 seems to have employed a higher reolution target as part of it's design mandate. At that time, Canon knew that higher resolution sensors were coming and started to prepare for them. Lens sharpness is not a function of a growing technology but simply a design mandate / goal. Previously, Canon lens design was matching the "already established" film resolution. The early digital sensors were happy with these. But as the MP race was poiting towards 50mp sensors, higher resolutions targets were needed to satisfy the resolution requirements of those higher MP cameras. These higher targets could have been done before, it's just that Canon had no reason to.
It's also why canon will be sticking to a 45mp max resolution sensor for some time to come. Any more than this will need a whole revision of the RF line up with 80-90mp resolutions in thier design mandate. Regardless what the competition are doing or if we like it or not the 24/45mp sensors are what Canon will offer their customers for a long time to come.

Essentially, any EF L lens pre 2009 is easy game for Canon to upgrade from a sharpness perspective. Anything after that point has ony maginal or incremental resolution gains and Canon have to chase the "Complete package of uprgades" to woo customers from their beloved late model EF lenses.

Canon's marketing game has been very clever in hiding this fact from new or slightly ignorant customers. Many photographers (there I go again...sorry...an unqualified many) think that "all the EF lenses were rubbish" and all of the RF lenses are "way superior". It's an incorrect mantra I hear spewed at lot on various FB groups.
This might be true for lenses pre 2009 but it's simply not true for any later lenses releases from Canon. For example a comparison between the EF 35mm f1.4 II L and the newer RF 35mm f1.4 VC L shows little improvement over the EF lens. The EF lens was a 2015 model and was tracking the 5Dr's reolution capability. It's a similar story for the EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II and even the EF 24-70mm f2.8 II L. Both fare very similar to their RF counterparts. The RF lenes generally gain in weight reduction, superior AF capabilities, better MM and MFD numbers and often include optical image Stabilisers or at least superior versions.

I've noticed that a lot of the early RF lens reviews were compared to the older mk I EF lenses and often ignored the later mkII EF variants. Or ignored the EF lens variants entirely form their reviews. TDP is a good example of this, there is a curious lack of MFT charts on their site for many RF lenses that weren't much better optically that the precious EF versions. Only the lenses where there is a clear advantage optically, such as the RF 85mm f1.2 L vs the EF 85mm f1.2 II L, again low hanging fruit for Canon to upgrade optically.

I'm very excited for these new lenses.
For my use case scenario, I have a clear upgrade path for my vererable EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II and the new RF 50mm VC L is a very interesting lens fro me too. However, I have to compare it to the price point & features of the current RF 50mm f1.2 L. it's ironic that it's nearest competition is from it's own RF sibling and not from the previous camera mount.
 
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This 50mm is exactly what I've been waiting for.
Sharp, not heavy, price o.k.
Bye 1,8/50, hello 1,4/50! :)
The RF lens line is getting more and more complete and interesting, I guess Canon are preparing us some nice little surprises. (21mm f/1,4?, 28mm f/1,4? TSE 14mm?)
 
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Sure, it's better than the 30 year old EF 50mm 1.4 but Canon users still don't have a higher quality 50mm, unless they want to spend £1600. The gap is still huge between the 50 1.8 and the next best.

They don't need one. Their RF L's are selling hand over fist. Maybe one day the third-parties will be allowed in.

They will also see discounts within the next 6 months and the used market will start to have them.
 
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Okay!

The 24mm is up. Canon finally has stomped any notion that they couldn't create a great fast 24mm prime. it's by far the best 24mm that canon has ever developed.


This is easily the most impressive simultaneous lens launch since maybe the TS-E 17mm and 24mm.


God, it would take then 20 minutes to design a 28 1.4 as good as these.
 
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Yes, I agree for the primes but the for the ef 70-200 f2.8 II LIS vs rf 70-200 f2.8 LIS Z it's a bit more critical because there is less optically between these two lenses.
Canon have stated previously that their newer MFT charts includes a level of software optimisation that matches the code used in their cameras bodies. This explains why the recent EF MFT's are superior to the slightly older MFT charts (and way better than the older pre 2018 system). A good example of this is the EF 135mm f2.0 MFT charts. Another example is the new RF 10-20mm, its MFT's are clearly adjusted / optimised for corner distortion etc.
In terms of optical design, any Canon L lens from 2009 seems to have employed a higher reolution target as part of it's design mandate. At that time, Canon knew that higher resolution sensors were coming and started to prepare for them. Lens sharpness is not a function of a growing technology but simply a design mandate / goal. Previously, Canon lens design was matching the "already established" film resolution. The early digital sensors were happy with these. But as the MP race was poiting towards 50mp sensors, higher resolutions targets were needed to satisfy the resolution requirements of those higher MP cameras. These higher targets could have been done before, it's just that Canon had no reason to.
It's also why canon will be sticking to a 45mp max resolution sensor for some time to come. Any more than this will need a whole revision of the RF line up with 80-90mp resolutions in thier design mandate. Regardless what the competition are doing or if we like it or not the 24/45mp sensors are what Canon will offer their customers for a long time to come.

Essentially, any EF L lens pre 2009 is easy game for Canon to upgrade from a sharpness perspective. Anything after that point has ony maginal or incremental resolution gains and Canon have to chase the "Complete package of uprgades" to woo customers from their beloved late model EF lenses.

Canon's marketing game has been very clever in hiding this fact from new or slightly ignorant customers. Many photographers (there I go again...sorry...an unqualified many) think that "all the EF lenses were rubbish" and all of the RF lenses are "way superior". It's an incorrect mantra I hear spewed at lot on various FB groups.
This might be true for lenses pre 2009 but it's simply not true for any later lenses releases from Canon. For example a comparison between the EF 35mm f1.4 II L and the newer RF 35mm f1.4 VC L shows little improvement over the EF lens. The EF lens was a 2015 model and was tracking the 5Dr's reolution capability. It's a similar story for the EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II and even the EF 24-70mm f2.8 II L. Both fare very similar to their RF counterparts. The RF lenes generally gain in weight reduction, superior AF capabilities, better MM and MFD numbers and often include optical image Stabilisers or at least superior versions.

I've noticed that a lot of the early RF lens reviews were compared to the older mk I EF lenses and often ignored the later mkII EF variants. Or ignored the EF lens variants entirely form their reviews. TDP is a good example of this, there is a curious lack of MFT charts on their site for many RF lenses that weren't much better optically that the precious EF versions. Only the lenses where there is a clear advantage optically, such as the RF 85mm f1.2 L vs the EF 85mm f1.2 II L, again low hanging fruit for Canon to upgrade optically.

I'm very excited for these new lenses.
For my use case scenario, I have a clear upgrade path for my vererable EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II and the new RF 50mm VC L is a very interesting lens fro me too. However, I have to compare it to the price point & features of the current RF 50mm f1.2 L. it's ironic that it's nearest competition is from it's own RF sibling and not from the previous camera mount.

I reread canon's information on the 2018 MTF changes and saw nothing about what you are mentioning. Can you point me in the right direction to this information?
 
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