Two more lenses coming with the 3 hydrids or soon after

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Canon Rumors Guy said:
It would be 5 figures. The 200-400 launched at $10,999
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11k would be to cheap.
neuroanatomist said:
The RF design for the 800/5.6 is quite different from the EF 800/5.6, since the EF version was designed as an 800/5.6 lens whereas the RF is actually a 400/2.8 with a 2x TC included (I drew a magenta box around it).
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My bet: somewhere around 15K for the 200-500.

So, i guess the RF 1200 / 8 is also just a RF 600 / 4 with a 2x TC, right? So why should someone buy the RF 800 or the RF 1200? Just buy the RF 400 or the 600 plus a TC. Cheaper and more flexible ;-)
 
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grilled_rooster said:
So, i guess the RF 1200 / 8 is also just a RF 600 / 4 with a 2x TC, right? So why should someone buy the RF 800 or the RF 1200? Just buy the RF 400 or the 600 plus a TC. Cheaper and more flexible ;-)
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Depends on what you're looking to do. The 800/5.6 and 1200/8 can themselves take a TC, so you could get to 2400/16 'easily' (though not cheaply).

Also, the IQ of the 800/5.6 and 1200/8 is better than the 400/2.8 or 600/4 with the 2x TC, because the TCs built into the former lenses are optically matched to the lens vs being generic like the external ones.

For example, see:
www.the-digital-picture.com

Canon RF 1200mm F8 L IS USM Lens Image Quality

View the image quality delivered by the Canon RF 1200mm F8 L IS USM Lens using ISO 12233 Resolution Chart lab test results. Compare the image quality of this lens with other lenses.
www.the-digital-picture.com www.the-digital-picture.com
 
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john1970 said:
I wonder if there is any chance that the second lens is the DO super telephoto lens that was rumored. Supposedly Canon was testing 400 mm and 500 mm DO lenses at f4 and f4.5 apertures. A 500 mm f4.5 DO lens would be very nice and relatively light weight.
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Between Sigma, Fuji, and Nikon -- does seem like a lightweight 500 f/5.6 is getting somewhat popular these days. Maybe Canon will try to enter the fray there.
 
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Antonis said:
Ok Canon
So when 28 1.4?
You cannot leave such an important lens out of your range....
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Sure. Decades of EF lenses and no such lens. But it's 'important'. Well, to you, at least. I think Sigma makes one for EF, get that and the mount adapter, probably your only hope.

Antonis said:
Btw the 28mm 2.8 is very poor quality and is not made for serious work
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Not in my experience.
 
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A 200 - 500 f4.5 DO lens would be amazing for me but possibly not many

Throw in a built in 1.4x teleconverter, keep it under 4 lbs, under 12” and under $6,000 and I would pre order on day 1.

Yes, I know that I live in dreamland.
 
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I am very poor at guessing.

The Nikon 400 f4.5 DO S-Line lens is $ 3,250.

The Nikon 180-600 f5.6-f6.3 non DO, non S-Line lens is $1,900.

Double the price of the former and triple the price of the latter was clearly a bad guess.

There is definitely an exponential relationship between lens speed and price. I got it wrong.
 
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LuckyOne said:
I am very poor at guessing.

The Nikon 400 f4.5 DO S-Line lens is $ 3,250.

The Nikon 180-600 f5.6-f6.3 non DO, non S-Line lens is $1,900.

Double the price of the former and triple the price of the latter was clearly a bad guess.

There is definitely an exponential relationship between lens speed and price. I got it wrong.
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Rule of thumb for supertele pricing is at least twice the price for twice the light, and 50-100% more for zoom over prime.

500mm f/4.5 is also a very different lens than 400mm f/4.5. The former requires a 111mm front element -- which puts it into the same class as a 300mm f/2.8, and the latter 89mm (same class as the 200-800mm).

There is also a split between reasonable and expensive around the 100mm front element mark. Lenses requiring front elements below 100mm are $1500-$3000, lenses requiring front elements equal to or larger than 100mm are $6000 to five figures.
 
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#32
Antonis said:
Ok Canon
So when 28 1.4?
You cannot leave such an important lens out of your range....

Btw the 28mm 2.8 is very poor quality and is not made for serious work
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The RF 28 f/2,8 poor quality????
On of my sharpest WA lenses. And I own a few Leica M asphericals...
Ever read the review on OpticalLimits?
 
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#33
LuckyOne said:
I am very poor at guessing.

The Nikon 400 f4.5 DO S-Line lens is $ 3,250.

The Nikon 180-600 f5.6-f6.3 non DO, non S-Line lens is $1,900.

Double the price of the former and triple the price of the latter was clearly a bad guess.

There is definitely an exponential relationship between lens speed and price. I got it wrong.
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Canon historically is also just straight up more expensive. The 400 F/4 DO was a $7.5k lens and still commands $3-4k used for the mark ii variant
 
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frankchn said:
Rule of thumb for supertele pricing is at least twice the price for twice the light, and 50-100% more for zoom over prime.

500mm f/4.5 is also a very different lens than 400mm f/4.5. The former requires a 111mm front element -- which puts it into the same class as a 300mm f/2.8, and the latter 89mm (same class as the 200-800mm).

There is also a split between reasonable and expensive around the 100mm front element mark. Lenses requiring front elements below 100mm are $1500-$3000, lenses requiring front elements equal to or larger than 100mm are $6000 to five figures.
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I just got back from a safari in Africa with my 100-500. I like the lens a lot but I would love something between it and the upcoming 200-500 f4 as my lens is just a bit too slow and I am nowhere near a good enough photographer to have a super professional lens.

I don’t know what is possible for around $6,000 in an L lens. A 200-500 or 200-600 f/4.5 - f/5.6 DO lens perhaps?

In the 200-500 range, my 100-500 is f/5 to f/7.1. I would happily pay close to double the cost for an extra 2/3 of a stop.
 
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I too am hoping for a new line of "L" UWAs and WAs, hopefully not too heavy,
The 24mm is a nice beginning, and, since according to the Phototrend interview Canon want to offer a FULL line of lenses, there's room for hope!
14mm, 18mm, and 28mm could follow...
 
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Exploreshootshare said:
Make it a three hybrid-lens announcement and add a 20mm F1.4 :) Planning on going to NZ or up north in Europe next and I really need a fast UWA prime. 16mm would be better but I probably don´t want to pay that kind of money if it is f1.4
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RF16/2.8 is the only one besides RF10-20/4.
The RF10-20/4 is cheaper than the EF11-24 so there is precedence for a cheaper/lighter option.
The Sony 14/1.8 and Sigma 14/1.4 (E/L mount only) are USD1600 so it is possible for a reasonably priced fast/wide prime. Whether Canon wants to follow suit is a good question.
I use the Sigma EF20/1.4 and it is sufficient plus the Samyang 14/2.8 for wide angle which give good results but I do have GAS for the 14mm f1.4/18 options.
I've said it before but if Sigma released with 14/1.4 in EF mount with manual focus, then a lot of people would be happy :) (IMHO)
 
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Del Paso said:
I too am hoping for a new line of "L" UWAs and WAs, hopefully not too heavy,
The 24mm is a nice beginning, and, since according to the Phototrend interview Canon want to offer a FULL line of lenses, there's room for hope!
14mm, 18mm, and 28mm could follow...
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It does seem to be a missing focal range for some reason but Canon has not shown it some love for a long time :-(
 
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Antonis said:
Ok Canon
So when 28 1.4?
You cannot leave such an important lens out of your range....

Btw the 28mm 2.8 is very poor quality and is not made for serious work
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The build quality isn't the best and the focus motor might not be super, it sucks in dust like no other lens I have, but man is that thing sharp. Probably the best bang for buck lens in the Canon lineup in terms of what you get out of it. It is better than the pancakes from the competition as well.
One thing is certain, you can't hate on it for its optical quality.
 
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