More thoughts on the Canon EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II from Paris

Obviously, it’s the higher megapixel count. That’s all that matters, right? The R3 has 24.1 MP, the R1 has 24.2 MP. That extra 100,000 pixels clearly make the R1 a superior camera. Clearly.
I don’t actually know where the extra 0.1 MP of the R3 and the 0.2 MP of the R1 are going to. The stills from the R3 are definitely 6000x4000, and it seems to be the case for the R1 as well.
 
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The question is what do you think about the R1 is such a big advancement over the DSLR 1 series cameras that wasn't also true about the R3?

AF, ergonomics, EVF, 0.9x, customization, dual CFe, accelerator potential, new way to do pixel shift without shifting pixels, video, readout speed, pre capture, battery life improvments, off the top of my head. It's also at v1.0.

Reserved judgement on IQ and eye AF. IQ will be as good as everything else, the nerds will fight over lines on a graph, but no one will see differences with their own eyes.
 
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new way to do pixel shift without shifting pixels
Calling in-camera software AI upscaling a "new way to do pixel shift without shifting pixels" is a bit generous. Especially since that software has existed for years, and can be used with any photo from any (DSLR) camera. Hardly any pro will ever use it in-camera.

I don't disagree with all your other points though. Especially the viewfinder seems to be heaps better compared to the R3. Ergonomics, I'd say it's probably a tie though.
 
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Calling in-camera software AI upscaling a "new way to do pixel shift without shifting pixels" is a bit generous. Especially since that software has existed for years, and can be used with any photo from any (DSLR) camera. Hardly any pro will ever use it in-camera.

I don't disagree with all your other points though. Especially the viewfinder seems to be heaps better compared to the R3. Ergonomics, I'd say it's probably a tie though.

No it isn't, the end result is the same and better. Pixel shift is stupid and useless most of the time for the intended customer of this camera.

No one else has put it in a camera. Canon upped the processing game. It's a pro camera, if someone wants the blown up jpg in 0-minutes, there it is. Maybe some editor will want to crop the hell out of a photo for an 800px image online (think conflict zone). No need to sit at a computer. It's not there if no one asked for it or liked the concept. It will save time.

As for ergonomics, the extra space on the back will be welcomed by anyone that touches it.
 
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No it isn't, the end result is the same and better. Pixel shift is stupid and useless most of the time for the intended customer of this camera.

No one else has put it in a camera. Canon upped the processing game. It's a pro camera, if someone wants the blown up jpg in 0-minutes, there it is.
I dunno. Maybe I don't fully understand pro workflows. I just don't really see a pro using in-camera software JPG upscaling. Would be interested to learn of pros actually using this, though.
As for ergonomics, the extra space on the back will be welcomed by anyone that touches it.
Hope so. I have an R3 and I think it's great ergonomically. From what I've seen, its form factor and weight have been praised universally.
I do have an R1 ordered, and it would be great if it's even nicer, but I'm skeptical.
 
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I dunno. Maybe I don't fully understand pro workflows. I just don't really see a pro using in-camera software JPG upscaling. Would be interested to learn of pros actually using this, though.

Hope so. I have an R3 and I think it's great ergonomically. From what I've seen, its form factor and weight have been praised universally.
I do have an R1 ordered, and it would be great if it's even nicer, but I'm skeptical.

The 0-minute pro workflow doesn't roll in RAW. RAW may be on card one, but the jpg on card 2 is what outputs a lot of time, bandwidth requirements means more. Some situations may have M jpgs on card 2 for more efficient realtime output.

A lot of stuff done with these cameras the "normal" shooter will never run in to. Nothing is put on these cameras on a whim.

There is no media outlet or forum thread that will ever discuss this stuff. Again, just argue over lines on a graph or other technical bullshit.

It's not for lack of trying on my part, I have a friend and an acquaintance in interesting situations, but neither wants to be wrong on the internet by the YouTube crowd..
 
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Thank you Harry for your very precious insights!
But I will rather wait for your super acrylic zoomlens, since I don't know for sure whether it will be available in RF mount.
It would be a pity to invest in an obsolete camera system!
I want your fantastic ultra zoomlens, the camera is a negligible detail!
Funny you should mention the all-Acrylic lenses! I was just using the 50 mm to 2000 mm ZOOM one this early morning on a gyroscopic stabilizer for a Whistler glacier golden hour ski shoot! I.e. 6 am helicopter call time!

I'm shooting square aspect ratio on a 150 by 150 mm sensor at 64k by 64k resolution which will be edited so it can be projected at 2.35:1 ultra widescreen on a MASSIVE RGB laser display system.

That specific shot series zooms from a medium close-up of a group of extreme glacier skiers out to a wide shot of the Garibaldi mountain highlands and then zooms up and out to a full satellite video of the rotating Earth in GLORIOUS 64-bit RGBA colour!

I'm also shooting at 1000 fps at ISO-3200 at 1/2000th of a second shutter speed. That gives a bit of film grain-like "noise" and SHARP super-smooth motion for the skiers and chopper movements.

You will be able to see the entire video in downloadable DCI 4k, 8k, 16k and 64k resolutions at our website in a few weeks. It promotes various open-sourced high technology products which will DEFINITELY pique the public interest!

All-acrylic zooms and primes are the way to go AND we can easily ruggedize them for marine, space and severe environments!

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Just wait for the "cooked" R1 raws. That will be tasty.
The P2P charts shows everyone has baked in NR.
I have no idea why people single out Canon.
I do not know if Sony does the most but to my eyes, Sony looks the worst.
Except for the a9 III which has terrible noise performance but seems to not have very much noise reduction.
 
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Is that 230 frames RAW or cRAW?
The AF performance is only one aspect.
There's buffer size, buffer clearing speed and the card storage for 45 vs. 24 MP.
If you are shooting 8,000 images per day per body and culling them down to 100, that's a lot more storage space to edit required.

Also, you have one data point from one photographer.
Take a look at Larry Chen testing the R1. He's gushing about it!

 
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I have used the R5 mark II for about 2 weeks now and am very impressed. I use back button focus etc. and would very much like the option to program a button to toggle pre-capture on and off.
Agreed. I turned on precapture for a recent birding trip and it was incredible. I also remember reading that it was only going to be JPEG, but nope it's giving me individual precaptured RAWs which is exactly what I wanted.

It sure fills up the card fast though. I'd love to program the AE lock button so that precapture is only on when I'm holding that down.
 
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I have used the R5 mark II for about 2 weeks now and am very impressed. I use back button focus etc. and would very much like the option to program a button to toggle pre-capture on and off.
Agree- it’s such an obvious thing that I have to wonder if there’s a patent issue canon’s trying to avoid. I did add the function to the quick menu, but even that implementation is clunky since rather than a single press there, it basically acts as a shortcut to the menu option where to switch from disabled to enabled.
 
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Petapixel has an interview with Leah Hennel on their podcast, who photographed the Paris Olympics for the Canadian Olympic Committee.


The main wishlist from her was for a higher megapixel count -- she mentioned she sometimes had to crop heavily even with 400 and 600s as the photo pits were pretty far away from the action sometimes.
 
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Petapixel has an interview with Leah Hennel on their podcast, who photographed the Paris Olympics for the Canadian Olympic Committee.


The main wishlist from her was for a higher megapixel count -- she mentioned she sometimes had to crop heavily even with 400 and 600s as the photo pits were pretty far away from the action sometimes.
That can’t be right, I was led to believe pros would never want more than 24MP !
 
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