Jumping ship LRC to DxO

DxO or LRC?

  • DxO

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    Votes: 7 63.6%
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    Votes: 1 9.1%

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After seeing some recent YT videos I am seriously considering DxO. I am NOT and Adobe fan so it will not break my heart to leave. However I am concerned about how to move. Since Adobe uses catalogs and DxO does not how do I move all my current raw and edited photos to DxO?
Is DxO all I need or do users still have PS or some other apps?
 
Afaik. there is no way to convert the Lightroom catalog edits to PhotoLab, unless you put the image into TIFF or something.

When I used PhotoLab exclusively, I kept the Lightroom folder structure and that's how I dealt with the catalog. However, one annoyance with PhotoLab is it can't view sub folders.
 
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I use LR for organizing and editing and the DxO PureRAW4 plugin for denoising and/or distortion correction.

I can’t get used to DxO PL not showing what you’re working on, the loupe view in the latest PL is an improvement over the previous versions, but still unusable for my workflow. Apart from that, the ‘AI’ masking in LR can be used an understood and used in minutes, the ‘control points’ in DxO still baffle me, even after hours of tutorials and condescending forum advice (the Adobe forums are even more toxic).

For the price, DxO pretends to be a perpetual license, but the yearly updates require a complete new purchase and some features requires additional expansions with crap you don’t need, like the nik collection. It’s like being at the car dealership ;)

All my complaining aside, the denoising, debayering, lens corrections and viewpoint corrections DxO does are the best I’ve seen, which is why I keep my eye on pureraw and viewpoint updates!
 
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I use LR for organizing and editing and the DxO PureRAW4 plugin for denoising and/or distortion correction.

I can’t get used to DxO PL not showing what you’re working on, the loupe view in the latest PL is an improvement over the previous versions, but still unusable for my workflow. Apart from that, the ‘AI’ masking in LR can be used an understood and used in minutes, the ‘control points’ in DxO still baffle me, even after hours of tutorials and condescending forum advice (the Adobe forums are even more toxic).

For the price, DxO pretends to be a perpetual license, but the yearly updates require a complete new purchase and some features requires additional expansions with crap you don’t need, like the nik collection. It’s like being at the car dealership ;)

All my complaining aside, the denoising, debayering, lens corrections and viewpoint corrections DxO does are the best I’ve seen, which is why I keep my eye on pureraw and viewpoint updates!

I don't like their pricing model at all. Having to buy FilmPack, which I will never use to get a feature in PhotoLab?

Good points on the masking. Lightroom is way easier to use, though I find i have to do some cleanup, especially with hair. DxO is clunky.

I keep PhotoAI around because it's astronomically better than Lightroom at object removal. LR couldn't even remove a wide open light pole yesterday.
 
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I don't like their pricing model at all. Having to buy FilmPack, which I will never use to get a feature in PhotoLab?

Good points on the masking. Lightroom is way easier to use, though I find i have to do some cleanup, especially with hair. DxO is clunky.

I keep PhotoAI around because it's astronomically better than Lightroom at object removal. LR couldn't even remove a wide open light pole yesterday.
The 'AI' object removal in LR also has a tendency to replace the object with something it considers similar instead of removing it. In a few of the summer vacation shots I wanted to clone out other people standing in the surf, it replaced them with what I'll call "slightly melted garden gnome clowns" that heavily triggered my coulrophobia. I worked around that by using the clone tool first and then the 'AI' tool on top. That gave me realistic looking waves again. I wish it Adobe would make their 'AI' a bit more intelligent and less artificial.
The advice on the internet is all over the place as well: 'mask whole the object', 'mask in sections', 'keep wide margin', 'keep a small margin', et cetera.

I need to give PhotoAI a try again, I didn't like 3.2, too much variation in the results for different images when using the same settings. Not something I look forward to when coming home with a gazillion images because precapture + 30fps is so darn fun to use :)
 
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The 'AI' object removal in LR also has a tendency to replace the object with something it considers similar instead of removing it. In a few of the summer vacation shots I wanted to clone out other people standing in the surf, it replaced them with what I'll call "slightly melted garden gnome clowns" that heavily triggered my coulrophobia. I worked around that by using the clone tool first and then the 'AI' tool on top. That gave me realistic looking waves again. I wish it Adobe would make their 'AI' a bit more intelligent and less artificial.
The advice on the internet is all over the place as well: 'mask whole the object', 'mask in sections', 'keep wide margin', 'keep a small margin', et cetera.

I need to give PhotoAI a try again, I didn't like 3.2, too much variation in the results for different images when using the same settings. Not something I look forward to when coming home with a gazillion images because precapture + 30fps is so darn fun to use :)

Bang on Adobe! Just a quick redo. I ended up going with the vertical on that one, so this didn't matter in the end!
 

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Echoing the above in that for me, DxO is a RAW converter...period. IMO, for that job it's the best tool available. Since the days when it was called Optics Pro, it has sucked as a photo library tool, and that hasn't changed significantly in PhotoLab.

They did add some improved tools for image triage, and it's ok for that but it's not terribly fast (Jeff Cable blogged that he uses Photo Mechanic for fast image triage, but at $150/yr or $300 perpetual, you'd need to decide if faster review of images and using different software to do it is worthwhile).

Unlike those above, I have never used LR. Early on, I used Apple Aperture which was great for triage and library management and a good RAW converter. I had separate libraries for RAW and JPG images. I was unhappy when they stopped supporting it (and now have some slim hope they'll resurrect it since Apple bought Pixelmator).

Ultimately, I decided I really don't need a catalog for my RAW images. Once I've processed them, I just store them in a folder structure on my internal drive (with RAWs older than 5 years archived to external storage). They're organized as Year > Month > Event. I use Apple Photos for the converted jpgs, which is actually nice because my iPhone photos are integrated with the converted RAWs and I can still organize them into Albums, etc. If I need to go back to a RAW file, it's simple to find by date and subject matter.
 
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I need to give PhotoAI a try again, I didn't like 3.2, too much variation in the results for different images when using the same settings.
PhotoAI 3.3 has got rid of the pink colour cast when opening the R5 Mk II CR3 raw files. But you still cannot use PhotoAI to process R5 Mk II raw files because there is bug that prevents you from saving the output as a DNG file. A support request to fix this bug is open for 4+ weeks.

Edit: with version 3.3.3 it is now (finally) possible to edit CR3 raw files and save the result as a DNG file.
 
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For the price, DxO pretends to be a perpetual license, but the yearly updates require a complete new purchase and some features requires additional expansions with crap you don’t need, like the nik collection. It’s like being at the car dealership ;)
I haven't run across anything in DxO PL that requires nik. Overall, my experience has been that they do a good job with the 'perpetual' nature of their licensing, and it's gotten better. For example, they used to have a cutoff date of the version upgrade release for supporting new cameras. But that changed recently, so for example even though the R5II launched just before PL7, they extended support for the R5II back to PL6. As long as your camera body is supported by the software, all new lenses are also supported.

Personally, I will probably buy PL8 in the coming days but the current trend suggests that when DxO adds support for the R1 (they say December), it will work with my current PL7 as well.

For their other packages that work inside PL, ViewPoint and FilmPack, I have not upgraded those in years. I'm still on ViewPoint 3 and FilmPack 5 licenses (two version back from current, I got VP3 in 2016 and FP5 in 2017), and both continue to work fine in PL7. I don't really need ViewPoint anymore, since they incorporated the features I actually used (perspective correction and volume anamorphosis correction) directly into PhotoLab 6.
 
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Jeff Cable blogged that he uses Photo Mechanic for fast image triage, but at $150/yr or $300 perpetual, you'd need to decide if faster review of images and using different software to do it is worthwhile
Take a look at FastRawViewer.com it's around $30 for a perpetual license and will render ~6 raw images/sec for me (R3 24MP). That's fast enough that I'm the limiting factor.

They even have a 25% discount black Friday going and there's a fully featured 30 day trial available.
 
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Never used it myself, but I am seeing a lot of love out there for Capture One. If I were to move off of LRC (and whom among us has not considered it), I would start by comparing LRC against Capture One and DXO.
 
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Never used it myself, but I am seeing a lot of love out there for Capture One. If I were to move off of LRC (and whom among us has not considered it), I would start by comparing LRC against Capture One and DXO.

Lots of people love Capture One. I could never get used to the UI though. It's definitely worth a trial run.
 
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