Any advices for RF 24-240 mm?

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I'm about to buy R5 m2. And I wonder should I go for RF 24-240 mm. I have both EF 24-70 f/2.8 m1 & EF 70-200 f/2.8 m2. In addition I have Sigma ART 50 f/1.4. These are my main tools of work.

However at night events and concerts I shoot without flash mainly. And from what I read DR vs ISO It's no different than my current camera 5D4.

The 24-70 has to go especially having in mind the new 45 MPs. Already on 30 MPs is not nice with its perceptual resolution of 12 MPs.

I also consider instead of 24-240 to go for the RF 24-105mm f/2.8L IS USM Z. But my point is to cover it all with one lens instead.

I would like to know what forum members think.
 
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You're comparing several L-series lenses to a single superzoom lens. With a 10x zoom range and especially with that in a non-L lens, you're going to be trading convenience for a noticeable loss in image quality.

Also, you say, "at night events and concerts I shoot without flash mainly," to me that is a use case for a fast lens, f/2.8 or the 28-70/2, or an even faster prime lens. The RF 24-240mm starts at f/4 and is f/6.3 from 105mm up. For your use case, I would not recommend the RF 24-240.

FWIW,the 24-105/2.8 and 100-300/2.8 are a great combination for events (but not a cheap one, or a light one). If you're happy with your current lenses, they'll work great with an adapter.
 
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My thought would be to get the R5 II and try your existing glass and see how it works. While I have the RF 24-105 f/2.8 (great lens), I still use the EF 24-70 II. From an IQ perspective, there is little difference, although I am starting to think the rendering/bokeh of the RF 24-105 f/2.8 might be a bit better (no tests yet). I still use the EF 70-200 f/2.8 II on the R5, another great lens. I also own the Sigma 50A, f/1.4. It continues the trend as also does great on the R5.

As is often the case, glass holds up very well.

I agree with everything Neuro said comparing your two lenses, if you were to get one, for night events and concerts, out of the two lenses you mention, the 24-105 f/2.8 would be my thought.

But, honestly, you have good glass. The only lens I can't personally confirm that it holds up on the R5 is the EF 24-70 Mk I. But, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Get the camera, enjoy. Shoot until you identify a need and then go get that lens. If you are having issues with the Mk 1 of the EF 24-70, my first thought is something is off. Maybe microadjustment, which will be rendered moot with the R5 II.

BTW....IBIS works well even with the Sigma 50 Art and my EF 24-70 II. I have handheld 3-4 stops, 24 mm down to 1/4 sec, no problem. I think you will be pleasantly surprised how well your kit works with the R5 II.
 
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docsmith said:
I also own the Sigma 50A, f/1.4. It continues the trend as also does great on the R5.

As is often the case, glass holds up very well.
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1/ Regarding the Sigma lens: since it’s a third-party will the focus of the eyes work correctly?

2/ is the RF to EF converter working without changing the aperture?
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If you are having issues with the Mk 1 of the EF 24-70, my first thought is something is off. Maybe microadjustment, which will be rendered moot with the R5 II.
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3/ I’m not sure if it’s focusing correctly because sometimes it does. It could be that the USM is lacking speed. I also was never quite understood with the micro adjustment option of the body doors towards the lens. Probably something related to the sensor distance from the glass.

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BTW....IBIS works well even with the Sigma 50 Art and my EF 24-70 II. I have handheld 3-4 stops, 24 mm down to 1/4 sec, no problem. I think you will be pleasantly surprised how well your kit works with the R5 II.
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IBIS - intrigued to experience that. However, on events, what most matters especially on concerts. There is a lot of movement of the objects, so it’s all about how fast lenses, and not that much about the stabilization
 
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Diko said:
Regarding the Sigma lens:

1/ since it’s a third-party will the focus of the eyes work correctly?

2/ is the RF to EF converter working without changing the aperture?

3/ I’m not sure if it’s focusing correctly because sometimes it does. It could be that the USM is lacking speed. I also was never quite understood with the micro adjustment option of the body doors towards the lens. Probably something related to the sensor distance from the glass.


IBIS - intrigued to experience that. However, on events, what most matters especially on concerts. There is a lot of movement of the objects, so it’s all about how fast lenses, and not that much about the stabilization
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1) Yes, Eye-detect AF still works.

2) Yes, the adapter works extremely well. No change in aperture.

I like the adapter that allows you to insert filters. Otherwise, I would go with the plain adapter. I do also have the control ring adapter and find the placement so close to the body somewhat difficult.

3) It could be a number of things. My point being that you lose nothing by waiting and testing with your new camera. You could also consider used EF glass (like the EF 24-70 II), depending on your budget/needs. As a comparison, I would take the EF 24-70 Mk 1 over the RF 24-240 @ 24 mm here. There are sharper lenses since the Mk1, but it still is a very good lens and the results may surprise you. BTW, if you are getting less than stellar images with it on a DSLR, the first culprit I would look at is microadjustment of the AF, this would be solved simply by going to the R5 II, which doesn't need microadjustment.

IBIS can be impressive. I found it took me a few tries before I got the hang of it. Mostly, the effect was less than advertised in my experience. As mentioned above, 3-4 stops is dependable. For example, handholding the EF 24-70 II @ 24 mm the line seems to be crossed somewhere around 1/4 a second, which is ~3 stops. Sometimes I do better, but not consistently. Adding in a lens with IS does help. I have handheld the 24-105 f/2.8 for over 1 sec and been happy with the result.
 
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I have this lens. It's my go to lens for everything. The only bad thing is the vignetting is very bad. Lucky the lens correction profile by ACR do a good job. I say a pretty good job, but at 24mm, you can still see it.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Also, you say, "at night events and concerts I shoot without flash mainly," to me that is a use case for a fast lens, f/2.8 or the 28-70/2, or an even faster prime lens. The RF 24-240mm starts at f/4 and is f/6.3 from 105mm up. For your use case, I would not recommend the RF 24-240.

FWIW,the 24-105/2.8 and 100-300/2.8 are a great combination for events (but not a cheap one, or a light one). If you're happy with your current lenses, they'll work great with an adapter.
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You know what I might be going with 24–105 in the end.

100-300 I think is out of my league for now…

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... The only bad thing is the vignetting is very bad. Lucky the lens correction profile by ACR do a good job. I say a pretty good job, but at 24mm, you can still see it.
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This sounds almost bad. But not such a big deal at all. Since the ACR profile corrected in most cases that's more than enough.
The only concern that I have is actually how slow the lens is.

I am trying to streamline my workflow based on what customers want. Actually nobody of them is pixel peering. And when photos are not enough sharp there is Topaz Photo AI. And for the bokeh if there is not enough one can add via Lightroom with a simple slider. in most cases it worked like a charm.

I used to go with a lot of equipment to be prepared for any kind of scenario but these days the less is more for me. A few years back that wouldn't be possible. As far as my understanding goes this particular lens is quite sharp in the middle which in my case is more than enough and is not that bad at all.
 
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Honestly, having those lenses, the 24-240 really isn't in the same league as the 24-70 or 70-200. On the 30MP R, it's just ok IQ-wise, but usable in a pinch (e.g., for travel use). It's actually not the sharpness I have the biggest issue with, it's the purple fringing/CA which is probably the worst I have seen on a modern lens to date, reminds me of my old Powershot G1 from back in the day actually! DPP cannot correct it fully either, not even close in some cases. If you can live with that, though, it will certainly get the job done. That said, I would discourage use of that lens for any serious work or shooting....I'd rate it as casual only.
 
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HeavyPiper said:
I rented this lens and glad that I only rented it, was disappointed in its performance with my R5. Just my two cents.
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I’ve come close to buying it a couple of times, but I suspect I’d feel the same. I used the EF 28-300L for a couple of years, but ended up carrying the 24-105/4L and 70-300L instead.

The convenience of that zoom range is tempting, it would make a good one-lens solution on the R8 for casual/family outings. But usually for those I prefer even more portability, and since the 24-240 would mean compromising on IQ anyway, I bring the M6II and M18-150.
 
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Diko said:
I'm about to buy R5 m2. And I wonder should I go for RF 24-240 mm. I have both EF 24-70 f/2.8 m1 & EF 70-200 f/2.8 m2. In addition I have Sigma ART 50 f/1.4. These are my main tools of work.

The 24-70 has to go especially having in mind the new 45 MPs. Already on 30 MPs is not nice with its perceptual resolution of 12 MPs.
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I had the EF 24-70mm f2.8 mk I and found image quality lacking on the EOS 5D Mk III with 22 MP (in 2012). I suspect image quality will fall apart on a 45 MP sensor.
The EF 24-70 f2.8 Mk II is much better (equivalent to the RF lens), you’ll have no problems with that on the R5 Mk II, alternatives are the RF 24-70mm f2.8 or the 24-105mm f2.8.
Your EF 70-200mm Mk II will work fine, no issues with image quality.
 
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I had the EF 24-70mm f2.8 mk I and found image quality lacking on the EOS 5D Mk III with 22 MP (in 2012). I suspect image quality will fall apart on a 45 MP sensor.
The EF 24-70 f2.8 Mk II is much better (equivalent to the RF lens), you’ll have no problems with that on the R5 Mk II, alternatives are the RF 24-70mm f2.8 or the 24-105mm f2.8.
Your EF 70-200mm Mk II will work fine, no issues with image quality.
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Good to know that My 5D M4 is not the only body on which those photos look terrible.

It is definitely time for a change.

But my first idea was to go with 24 105 at 2.8 and since the feedback here I am kind of more committed towards the expensive option instead of this 24-240.

I’ll be buying a 2X extender anyway, so probably 48-210 @4 would almost be the same. Not quite in the wide part but trade-offs sometimes must be made
 
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Diko said:
Good to know that My 5D M4 is not the only body on which those photos look terrible.

It is definitely time for a change.

But my first idea was to go with 24 105 at 2.8 and since the feedback here I am kind of more committed towards the expensive option instead of this 24-240.

I’ll be buying a 2X extender anyway, so probably 48-210 @4 would almost be the same. Not quite in the wide part but trade-offs sometimes must be made
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You cannot use the RF24-105 f2.8 with Canon extenders.

See: https://rfshooters.com/blog/lenses/extenders/ for lenses that are compatible with Canon extenders.
 
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I really like my 24-240 as a general walk-around and have taken decent photos with it, but you get what you pay for. I wouldn't use this lens to cover hand-held night concerts due to the aperture vs the others that you have suggested. If you can, just rent it for a week and see what you think, but I think you'd be happier with the 24-105.

The 24-240 is Ken Rockwell's FAVORITE LENS OF ALL TIME, though, so there is that ;)
 
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It has it's niche and I carry it frequently on my R6 MkII when I am bouncing around locally. It is an easy all day carry lens with surprising good IQ for a lens at it's price point.

Know that it isn't the fastest lens so city street photography is limited due to shadows, overcast days can be a bit challenging and first and last light is a challenge. That being said it has some great advantages. Nice range, the AF is fast and accurate, IQ is pretty darn good and five stops of stabilization. I do notice some lateral CA but not as bad as some describe. Also limited barrel distortion and vignetting @ 24mm.
 
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Diko said:
basically, there is the possibility that the lens is compatible with extender.
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No, there isn’t. The 24-105/2.8 is not compatible with extenders.

I suppose you could remove or simply shatter and pour out the shards of the rear element group that sits right at the back of the lens where the extender protrusion needs to go, and make the extender fit. But I wouldn’t call that compatibility. ;)

The list was updated in May, 2023 because that’s when the RF 100-300/2.8 was released, and that lens is compatible with extenders. There’s been no need to update the list since then, since no newer extender-compatible lenses have been launched.
 
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