Will the new R5 II de-squeeze anamorphic lenses...for Stills? Video?

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Hello all,

Well, I've been saving my pennies for years now, and think the R52 will be where I drop it....I love to use mirrorless cameras to mount odd lenses, from vintage old lenses to the great affordable anamorphic modern lenses coming out today.

With mirrorless, it is SO easy to adapt anything...

When shooting with an anamorphic lens, unless your EVF can de-squeeze the image (let you dial in the factor)...it is a little difficult to focus, even with the focus assist going for you.

Has there been any indication that the new Canon R52 will have the ability to de-squeeze and let you see the resultant image in the EVF or even the flippy display?

I'm not only interested in video...but also for STILLS!! I love to shoot panoramic images and the anamporphic look is right up my alley for stills.

I know some other cameras do it and if Canon does...well, it shouldn't be rocket surgery to have the code in the camera to de-squeeze an image, let you dial in the factor and boom...?

Has there been any indication this will be a think with the R52?

Thank you in advance,

cayenne
 
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If you really need this option, then your best bet is to just buy an external monitor. I have the Ninja V and love it but have never tried anamorphic lenses. Of course, that is a recorder and there are cheaper options if you don't need recording capabilities (which you won't if you only do stills).

I may be wrong but I don't think Canon will introduce this in firmware any time soon. It is one of the features reserved for the Cinema line (the R5C may have it).
 
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If you really need this option, then your best bet is to just buy an external monitor. I have the Ninja V and love it but have never tried anamorphic lenses. Of course, that is a recorder and there are cheaper options if you don't need recording capabilities (which you won't if you only do stills).

I may be wrong but I don't think Canon will introduce this in firmware any time soon. It is one of the features reserved for the Cinema line (the R5C may have it).
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Well, believe it or not...I primarily shoot my anamorphic lenses for stills....and having to lug around an external monitor on top everywhere is a bit of a PITA, no?

I believe I saw that Fuji in the GFX line has built in de-squeeze, and I could have sworn that Panasonic and maybe even Sony also had anamorphic de-squeeze built in.....this apparently isnt' rocket science to put into a camera software....

I was hoping Canon might throw something useful in there as that anamorphic lenses ARE getting much more affordable and in use more and more these days...albeit mostly for video....

I love the look it gives in stills....and love shooting that wide aspect ratio and not just cropping half the image away....

cayenne
 
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cayenne said:
Well, believe it or not...I primarily shoot my anamorphic lenses for stills....and having to lug around an external monitor on top everywhere is a bit of a PITA, no?

I believe I saw that Fuji in the GFX line has built in de-squeeze, and I could have sworn that Panasonic and maybe even Sony also had anamorphic de-squeeze built in.....this apparently isnt' rocket science to put into a camera software....

I was hoping Canon might throw something useful in there as that anamorphic lenses ARE getting much more affordable and in use more and more these days...albeit mostly for video....

I love the look it gives in stills....and love shooting that wide aspect ratio and not just cropping half the image away....

cayenne
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Cayenne, I have a question. Is the external monitor necessary to see the full picture with anamorphic lenses? I'm thinking not. So is the external monitor to give you better viewing vs the built indisplay?
 
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Cayenne, I have a question. Is the external monitor necessary to see the full picture with anamorphic lenses? I'm thinking not. So is the external monitor to give you better viewing vs the built indisplay?
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Well, the monitor will de-squeeze the image...so that it looks wide screen with normal height.

I'm hoping the Canon will build IN the de-squeeze capability, so that when I look through the view finder or the screen on back of camera I see the "normalized" image....rather than seeing the pre-squeeze image where everything is squished in the smaller frame.

I can "see' everything in the frame with that view...but since these are manual focus lenses....it makes it a bit difficult to hit focus with the squished image.

I hope I'm describing it right....?

cayenne
 
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cayenne said:
Well, the monitor will de-squeeze the image...so that it looks wide screen with normal height.

I'm hoping the Canon will build IN the de-squeeze capability, so that when I look through the view finder or the screen on back of camera I see the "normalized" image....rather than seeing the pre-squeeze image where everything is squished in the smaller frame.

I can "see' everything in the frame with that view...but since these are manual focus lenses....it makes it a bit difficult to hit focus with the squished image.

I hope I'm describing it right....?

cayenne
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Thanks!
 
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cayenne said:
Well, believe it or not...I primarily shoot my anamorphic lenses for stills....and having to lug around an external monitor on top everywhere is a bit of a PITA, no?

I believe I saw that Fuji in the GFX line has built in de-squeeze, and I could have sworn that Panasonic and maybe even Sony also had anamorphic de-squeeze built in.....this apparently isnt' rocket science to put into a camera software....

I was hoping Canon might throw something useful in there as that anamorphic lenses ARE getting much more affordable and in use more and more these days...albeit mostly for video....

I love the look it gives in stills....and love shooting that wide aspect ratio and not just cropping half the image away....

cayenne
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How many anamorphic lenses does Canon offer in the RF mount?

Assuming Canon designs stills/hybrid bodies to sell new Canon lenses to the people who buy the bodies, what motivation does Canon have for including this capability in the R5 Mark II? What motivation does Canon have to make it possible to use this capability with older used lenses, most/all of them not even Canon?

There's your answer, I think, even though it's probably not what you want to hear.

It's a little different in the Cinema series, because the higher end Cinema industry is much more "rent" than "own", and it's much more common for folks to choose to rent a lens they want for a certain look and then rent whatever camera can accommodate it. That's likely one reason why Canon's Cinema line is so much more expensive, relative to their stills/hybrid line [Compare the 2012 $6,800 1D X to the 2013 $15,000 1D C, both sharing much of the same hardware including identical sensors]. The business model for Cinema is not based on an expectation that buyers will stick with only Canon lenses, so Canon has to make more profit on the bodies themselves.
 
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Michael Clark said:
How many anamorphic lenses does Canon offer in the RF mount?

Assuming Canon designs stills/hybrid bodies to sell new Canon lenses to the people who buy the bodies, what motivation does Canon have for including this capability in the R5 Mark II? What motivation does Canon have to make it possible to use this capability with older used lenses, most/all of them not even Canon?

There's your answer, I think, even though it's probably not what you want to hear.

It's a little different in the Cinema series, because the higher end Cinema industry is much more "rent" than "own", and it's much more common for folks to choose to rent a lens they want for a certain look and then rent whatever camera can accommodate it. That's likely one reason why Canon's Cinema line is so much more expensive, relative to their stills/hybrid line [Compare the 2012 $6,800 1D X to the 2013 $15,000 1D C, both sharing much of the same hardware including identical sensors]. The business model for Cinema is not based on an expectation that buyers will stick with only Canon lenses, so Canon has to make more profit on the bodies themselves.
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However, Canon also makes their R5's and the like as hybrid cameras....because they know people DO film with them....
And a lot of those folks ARE using 3rd party lenses, many are anamorphic.

Canon may not be selling anamorphic lenses, but they have to know a growing number of people using their hybrid cameras are using them, and a simple software addition could certainly help sell bodies....you know?

It's easy to get an affordable anamorphic lens with an EF mount that will work very well with the R5......

Anyway, hoping they do. Again, this won't require any type of hardware to do....just software to de-squeeze the image in the view finder or at least on the flippy screen.

If an external monitor can do it easily, so can Canon....and again, other cameras do this....so, why not Canon?

cayenne
 
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