Is a Canon EOS R7 Mark II coming this year? [CR2]

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The back dial that many people love to hate will probably take the same path that the original R's touch bar went. Hopefully the sensor will have improved readout speed too compared to the R7 I.
 
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Ohhhh yes, please! I owned the R7 for three months, sold it to my soon to be "father-in-law". It is a solid - good camera (for the given price point actually very good) but for me there are a few flaws. If it...:

- had an option to add a vertical grip
- would loose that thumb dial (I accidentally messed up my settings several times) but keep the joystick
- had a faster read-out speed --> I actually had to wait due to buffer issues when shooting dogs/ wildlife/ sports quite a few times

Those are the three main reasons I sold the R7, the other being that I had to chose on vacation "R7 or R?" and it gave me decision nauseau (is this spelled correctly? It looks weird to me...), but I could see myself getting a R7 for sports and wildlife. Especially, with the RF 100-500mm it would give me a great range without using the RF extender and limiting the usability of the lens.

For hiking, I could add the RF-S 10-18mm. This UWA option was missing during the summer of 2023, therefore I usually opted for the R and RF 16mm or 14-35mm F4.

I think 2024 and the following years are shaping up nicely for me in terms of cameras. I will have many options and have to decide what to do :) I will either buy a R5/ R5mkii or just add the R7mkii and wait a couple of more years for a new FF camera. Exciting times :)
 
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I would expect an R7II to be a 1.6x crop version of the R5II stacked sensor.
And in that case the megapixel count would probably decrease slightly, but it would be more than worth it.
 
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The original R7 was a real disappointment for everyone who thought it would be the 7D successor. MUCH faster readout speed and MUCH more consistent AF have to happen. If they don't, it's just another hobby camera. Neither rolling shutter nor flaky focus should be the leading characteristic of any camera. But IF they fix those . . . IF they make the R7ii everything the R7 should have been . . . it'll cost a lot more, but bird shooters will pay it.
 
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gatabo said:
Same body shape and size as the R6II and same battery grip. Stacked 40MP sensor to compete directly with both Fujifilm X-H2 and X-H2S and Canon will have a winner.
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I agree regarding the R6II body, but not the 40 MP. The X-H2S has a 26 MP stacked sensor; the X-H2 is 40 MP but not stacked. If Canon could come up with a 32.5 MP stacked, i.e. retaining the R7's excellent resolution, that would be perfect - but not at the cost of speed. The pixel pitch of the OM-1's stacked sensor is the same as the R7, but it's a smaller sensor of course. Still, it shows the technology is out there, albeit at a higher price.

I'm surprised this rumour has a [CR2], it seems very soon to replace the R7. As I've said a tedious number of times, the R7 should have been the R90, and as such it would have been very well received by all. And that would have left room for a true R7 to come along in 2024. Maybe the rumoured camera will be a high-end body with another name, leaving the R7 where it currently sits in the range?
 
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I will be (happily) surprised if Canon updates the R7 already this year. I think mark I was a disappointment in many ways, and would definitely appreciate an update.

I hope for:

- A faster read-out sensor. If not stacked, then at least as fast the R5 or R6II sensors.
- A good shutter. The shutter on mark I is simply brutal (very loud and badly damped for vibrations).
- Build-in GPS (I know, Canon probably wont - but they really should. All external workarounds work like s**t).
- An extra dial on body would be highly appreciated. I like the one on top of the R6II that also functions as a power-switch.

Unlike others, I don't mind the current thumb-wheel next to the viewfinder. But of course, an R6II body would also be very nice :)
I don't care much about megapixels either. Current number is fine. I care more about the speed it can deliver.

As a bonus, please also give us some "prosumer" RF-S lenses. A super-wideangle zoom (9-20mm?) and a 15-85mm ?
 
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EricN said:
What leads you to expect this?
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Yeah probably a bit too far-fetched, I just thought there would be a bit less development if the pixel pitch is the same.
It is more likely that they do a high resolution APS-C stacked sensor first, and then scale it up to a high megapixel FF camera later on.

Or maybe they just don't use a stacked crop sensor at all like Sony, in order to keep the price point.
 
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In isolation, the R7 is a remarkably capable and fantastic camera. When compared to the 7D Mark II, it was a nice leap in performance capability. Sadly, we can’t judge the camera on its own without comparing it to other Canon cameras and competing mirrorless bodies. When we do, the R7 begins to show some of its shortcomings such as the cataclysmic mechanical shutter, slow electronic readout, the 2 control wheel design and lack of vertical grip, etc.

Still, this camera routinely surprises me with some of the images I’ve gotten with it. I’ve switched to shooting (begrudgingly) to Fv mode to improve the experience and it has helped. I’ve MacGyvered a battery grip onto the camera, and essentially spray and pray -deliberately overshoot- with this camera because of how erratic and unpredictable the autofocus can be. This fault in the camera has been well documented at this point and it’s not uncommon for me to take a sequence of 10-20 images and 90% of them are just slightly out of focus or have nothing really “crisp” from shutter shock or electronic shutter readout…you just have to live with it and it’s frustrating.

I sold it once and bought another one because the fact is, I need an APS-C camera in my bag and this one is capable of capturing some incredible images and video. This is currently the best APS-C that Canon makes, but I would like a better one with much less held back just so it could meet a price point of $1700. I would love to see what they came up with at the $2000-2500 price like the Fujifilm X-H2 and X-H2S. I’m absolutely certain that the R7 is the best sub-$2000 APS-C camera and this price point sells more than $2000-2500…but, hopefully, they make a camera that’s more “professional” for those who want it.

Bring on a stacked sensor R7X!!
 
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Steve Balcombe said:
it seems very soon to replace the R7.
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The R7 was to some extent a placeholder, given it effectively reused an existing sensor; so perhaps it's not surprising a newer model would come sooner.

What I find intriguing is where it would land in terms of price and features - a lot of enthusiasts on here are clamouring for better features, but that would surely bump up the price a fair bit. Does Canon want to push it upmarket at the expense of losing (relatively) mass market appeal?
 
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The experimental control design of the Mark I was a flop. Give us the R6 Mark II control layout along with a metal body. 3 dials, dual cards, battery grip. From there, any upgrades to the sensor would be very welcome. It would sell like hotcakes.
 
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I'm in an odd place with Canon high performance (insects and birds for me). For years Canon APS-C was my main camera, with the cheapest full frame for best portraits and night shooting. So rebel xt, T2i, 70D, 80D 90D, then a 6D and later R and R8, both when the sale prices were under 1.1k. During the 80D I got a very inexpensive Olympus EM1m2 for insect macro, stacking/bracketing and the live composite (fireflies mostly). While the 80 and later 90D plus m-pe gave the best single shot macro quality, the set with flash was much heavier than the olympus, and olympus was happier to stack, so 90% of my insect macro were on the Olympus. I started to get into birds, with the same financial and time constraints. I took a lot of shots early in the AM, in low light, and the 100-400 couldn't focus well, especially stopped down with a teleconverter, so I got a 25 year old 500/4IS. The quality and focus were amazing, but I learned I'm not willing to carry that around on longer bird walks, it's really more of a gimbal than a hand-holding lens for me. Around this time the R7 came out, but the combination of loud mirror and rolling shutter (all second hand info from reviews and fora) made me not want to get it, combined with the high prices of RF lenses and weight of the 500. Instead I got the OM-1, traded the 500f4IS for a 300 f4 pro and 1.4 tc, and have a much lighter, sharp though slower, decent focusing system. On the down side, OM system is an interface you have to fight. I have to reprogram buttons and use the custom modes heavily, though pre-capture is fun. I have to use it frequently just to stay in practice and remember how I've set the buttons. In contrast, the R8 is a delight, lighter than the OM-1, I can leave it for a month, set it to AV or FV and everything works, focus is smarter and stickier if not faster. If an R7ii had a quieter mechanical shutter and much less rolling shutter, it would be perfect, but I still wouldn't get around the lens size-cost problem. Probably the 100-500 zoom would be the answer, even slower, but good enough. OM systems makes you work so hard that there is a Concord Fallacy at work to justify sticking with it, and the really good 300 mm lens.
 
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