Sony Announces a1 II Mirrorless Camera & FE 28-70mm F2 GM Lens

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Sony introduced an upgrade to its “professional's all-around” flagship a1 II full-frame mirrorless camera, alongside the equally versatile FE 28-70mm f/2 GM lens. NEW YORK, Nov. 19, 2024 /PRNewswire/ — B&H is excited to share an updated version of Sony's flagship camera, the a1 II Mirrorless Camera, along with the supremely fast wide-to-portrait-length FE 28-70mm

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I can't really break down the a1 II in any meaningful way, other than asking how this thing costs so much? Especially with a recycled sensor that they have already made their money on. More than the integrated grip R1 and $2200 more than the R52? Maybe I'm missing something.

The 28-70 f/2 is really nice, and I look forward to Canon putting the RF 28-70 on atkins for the v2.
 
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Canon Rumors Guy said:
I can't really break down the a1 II in any meaningful way, other than asking how this thing costs so much? Especially with a recycled sensor that they have already made their money on. More than the integrated grip R1 and $2200 more than the R52? Maybe I'm missing something.
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Can't wait for the Sony fanbois to show up and tell CR how great the a1 II is and how much better it is than the a1. You know the fanbois I'm talking about, the ones who said the R5II was not any different from the R5.

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The 28-70 f/2 is really nice, and I look forward to Canon putting the RF 28-70 on atkins for the v2.
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The weight reduction of the 28-70/2 from Sony is impressive, but I guess when you put something on a diet for 6 years there can be significant weight loss. There was talk of it being a 24-70/2, which would have been impressive. The weight of the Canon 28-70/2 doesn't bother me on an integrated-grip body, but it would on a non-gripped body.
 
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Impressive they could make the 28-70F2 even smaller. Your turn Canon.
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I guess the Canon version didn't rely on camera corrections that heavily yet whereas the Sony does. Also when I talked with the Canon representative back in the days they told me that the RF 28-70 f/2 (and also the RF 50 f/1.2 85mm f/1.2) has a large image circle so that the IBIS can do 8 stops of compensation even without IS in the lens.

(EDIT: the other lens was the 85 mm: "With some lenses with a large image circle, such as the RF 28-70mm F2L USM and RF 85mm F1.2L USM, the camera's IBIS can deliver up to 8-stops of IS even though the lenses do not have built-in optical stabilisation."
source: https://www.canon.cz/pro/infobank/image-stabilisation-lenses/

I also checked that the lens doesn't suffer from heavy distortions (Christopher Frost review on YT).

I'd still go for the smaller version, I was just pointing the reasons that may be behind that weight and size difference).
 
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I guess the Canon version didn't rely on camera corrections that heavily yet whereas the Sony does. Also when I talked with the Canon representative back in the days they told me that the RF 28-70 f/2 (and also the RF 50 f/1.2) has a large image circle so that the IBIS can do 8 stops of compensation even without IS in the lens.
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I didn't know that, I wouldn't want to lose that then I guess.
 
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I can only imagine the Sony forums exploding with beef right now.
As I stated some time ago, I think the A1 was an amazing piece of technology and I don't see anything wrong in using that sensor, if it is able to hold up with todays standards.

It seems Sony had some major software improvements in mind, that needed a buff in processing power, which they now provided in the a1II.
But just as people were screaming about 24mp and no quad pixel af in the R1, just as people were screaming about a minor decrease in shadow recovery in the R5II, they will now go absolutely apeshit about Sony not giving them a 50mp global shutter sensor in the A1II.

Nikon must be excited to reveal their upcoming products some time soon
 
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I guess the Canon version didn't rely on camera corrections that heavily yet whereas the Sony does.
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Where did you read that?
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I also checked that the lens doesn't suffer from heavy distortions (Christopher Frost review on YT).
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which lens do you mean?
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I'd still go for the smaller version, I was just pointing the reasons that may be behind that weight and size difference).
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I love the images the RF 28-70mm F2 takes (EOS R & R5). I rented it twice and had one as a loan free of cost for a workshop once, but I never purchased it because in the long run it is too heavy and not well balanced without a grip. I´d love and (instantly?) purchase a mkii version in the style of the Sony one.
 
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I can't really break down the a1 II in any meaningful way, other than asking how this thing costs so much? Especially with a recycled sensor that they have already made their money on. More than the integrated grip R1 and $2200 more than the R52? Maybe I'm missing something.
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As a Sony shooter I completely agree. It appears the corporate greed is in full control on this one. If this was mid genration refresh in 2022 then maybe. But to release this camera in 2025 at $6500 is a smack in the face. They know they've lined up enough corporate contracts who will buy this no matter what.

They have been growing market share in terms of revenue and it looks like that is their main focus. If this is the road they are going to take I'll be spending my money elsewhere.
 
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Can't wait for the Sony fanbois to show up and tell CR how great the a1 II is and how much better it is than the a1. You know the fanbois I'm talking about, the ones who said the R5II was not any different from the R5.


The weight reduction of the 28-70/2 from Sony is impressive, but I guess when you put something on a diet for 6 years there can be significant weight loss. There was talk of it being a 24-70/2, which would have been impressive. The weight of the Canon 28-70/2 doesn't bother me on an integrated-grip body, but it would on a non-gripped body.
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I'm sure you would put me in this fanbois camp. I wasn't thrilled with the R5mii upgrade as their isn't much on the image quality side. With that said it does 8k60 raw which is definitely an improvement. I think both cameras were severely lacking on the improvement side.

But Sony has simply gone off the cliff when it comes to pricing, completely ignoring what the competition is doing. For example the R6II has been $2k for a while now and the Sony equivalent A7IV remainded $2500 until recently even though its much older. And even now they only dropped the price to $2100. It's like their strategy is to appear as though they are the more expensive camera regardless of actual features/performance.

Had they priced the A1II at $5k I would've been fine. More MP and faster sensor read out speak ok, but no way is worth $2k more.
 
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fox40phil said:
28-70: ~920g vs ~1420g.... o_O:love: holy sheet... another lightweigt Sony lens! Would buy one for Canon with this weight!
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The older Canon's front filter size is 95mm but the Sony is 86mm. Although it's been enough years that technology could have improved, that front element size could be a sign of reduced image quality, right?
 
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The older Canon's front filter size is 95mm but the Sony is 86mm. Although it's been enough years that technology could have improved, that front element size could be a sign of reduced image quality, right?
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The RF 28-70/2 does not force in-camera corrections like some other lenses. It’s a safe bet that the Sony version does. I’m not saying that means worse IQ (after correction), but apparently it really bothers some people.
 
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Been amusing myself reading the Sony forums on the A1ii vs A1 and learned a lot about the deficiencies of the A1. It would seem that the A1 has now to all intents and purposes caught up with the R5ii and is 40-50% more expensive over here. The RF5 to R5ii was a bigger upgrade than Sony's.
 
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The older Canon's front filter size is 95mm but the Sony is 86mm. Although it's been enough years that technology could have improved, that front element size could be a sign of reduced image quality, right?
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Doesn't seem like it:
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CJaurelius said:
As a Sony shooter I completely agree. It appears the corporate greed is in full control on this one. If this was mid genration refresh in 2022 then maybe. But to release this camera in 2025 at $6500 is a smack in the face. They know they've lined up enough corporate contracts who will buy this no matter what.

They have been growing market share in terms of revenue and it looks like that is their main focus. If this is the road they are going to take I'll be spending my money elsewhere.
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What's Nikon going to do? They're kind of at the mercy of Sony image sensors. The Z9 will be entering year four of its existence.
 
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Pricing in Germany puts the R1 and A1ii at the same price (7499 EUR). Being the oldest the Z9 seems to be the best deal at around 5000 EUR right now, if one is happy with what the camera offers.

Maybe the 7500 EUR is what Canon and Sony found that pros / companies are willing to spend?
 
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